[REJECTED] Unimply shiny pokemon -> alternate color

remove implication shiny_pokemon -> alternate_color

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This implication doesn't fit. An alternate color should be reserved for instances when fanart is drawing something official in an alternate color, like post #3008110.

Different colored versions of a character's original attire and overall appearance.

This Espeon is silver furred. The shiny version of Espeon is green and green is official. A shiny Pokémon may be rare to find, but it isn't alternate.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1473 (forum #142838) has been rejected by @Provence.

This doesn't match the present wiki definition or tag usage. player 2 variants from fighting games are tagged alternate color as well.

feline_lump said:

This doesn't match the present wiki definition or tag usage. player 2 variants from fighting games are tagged alternate color as well.

Tag usage is a rather weird argument, since it already implies that tag :P.

Anyway, I don't think that stuff like player 2 or shiny pokemon should imply that stuff since they make really alternate color versions also harder to find and one must do an negative search by excluding one tag from the search query: -shiny pokemon alternate color.
Besides, I wouldn't expect to see a red Gyarados in an alternate color search as its shiny version is extremely common and also catchable in the game. It also appears in the Anime for multiple episodes.

Provence said:

Anyway, I don't think that stuff like player 2 or shiny pokemon should imply that stuff since they make really alternate color versions also harder to find and one must do an negative search by excluding one tag from the search query: -shiny pokemon alternate color.

Please use not shiny pokemon for the other alternate colored Pokémon you are looking for, like purple Kecleons and whatnot.

I'd prefer keeping shiny pokemon aliased to alternate color. It's basically the definition of "Shiny" itself in this context. Shiny = a Pokémon of a certain alternate color.

Danielx21 said:

Please use not shiny pokemon for the other alternate colored Pokémon you are looking for, like purple Kecleons and whatnot.

I'd prefer keeping shiny pokemon aliased to alternate color. It's basically the definition of "Shiny" itself in this context. Shiny = a Pokémon of a certain alternate color.

Nice tag. Fairly underpopulated so I wasn't aware of that tag.
If that's the case then I'll nuke the request and make a new one.

The bulk update request #1473 (forum #142838) has been rejected by @Provence.

create implication not_shiny_pokemon -> alternate_color

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Name may sound stupid, but the concept is clear.
Name of the tag may be changed later.

EDIT: This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1477 (forum #143029) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

Provence said:

Name may sound stupid, but the concept is clear.
Name of the tag may be changed later.

I like the name "not shiny pokemon", but by all means if a better name is available, I don't mind renaming it. I don't have any other ideas that are clear and short. (as opposed to creating a new long explanatory tag like "alternate colored pokemon that is not shiny" or something)

Also, I won't take it personally that the name may sound stupid, even though I created that tag and wiki back in 2012. ;)

Is not_shiny_pokemon redundant? What's stopping people from using pokemon_(creature) alternate_color -shiny_pokemon to find alternate-colored pokemon that aren't shiny?

fossilnix said:

Is not_shiny_pokemon redundant? What's stopping people from using pokemon_(creature) alternate_color -shiny_pokemon to find alternate-colored pokemon that aren't shiny?

It's a three-tag search.

Provence said:

It's a three-tag search.

And that's not a valid argument.

Unbreakable said:

And that's not a valid argument.

why not?
The absolute maximum for member-level users is a 2-tag search. I see why we should avoid tag noise for these cases. But when something needs multiple tags to be described then I think an evasion tag should be created and it probably isn'T the only tag like this.

Provence said:

why not?
The absolute maximum for member-level users is a 2-tag search. I see why we should avoid tag noise for these cases. But when something needs multiple tags to be described then I think an evasion tag should be created and it probably isn'T the only tag like this.

Using only "member level users can't search that many tags" as a reason for a tag creation isn't valid, just like it is for pools. If there are other reasons the tag may be created but not with that as a sole reason.

fossilnix said:

Is not_shiny_pokemon redundant? What's stopping people from using pokemon_(creature) alternate_color -shiny_pokemon to find alternate-colored pokemon that aren't shiny?

The search shiny_pokemon not_shiny_pokemon currently has 6 results. That is, images where both a shiny_pokemon and a not_shiny_pokemon can be found.

Plus, there are quite a few posts where a human trainer is alternate colored, but a Pokémon is not. Example: post #693759.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.

The bulk update request #1477 (forum #143029) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.