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Just a single down-vote shouldn't hide a comment.
All you need is one cranky or vindictive a-hole to hide something, and even when I down-vote a comment I almost never want to disappear it. I'm just saying buuuu, but you may disagree.
How about -5? Disappearing should only be for catastrophically shit tier.
sarusa said:
Just a single down-vote shouldn't hide a comment.
All you need is one cranky or vindictive a-hole to hide something, and even when I down-vote a comment I almost never want to disappear it. I'm just saying buuuu, but you may disagree.
How about -5? Disappearing should only be for catastrophically shit tier.
Each user can change in their options at what point comments will be hidden for them, or are you suggesting that the default option should be lowered? Anyway, -5 is too high imo, if a change is made I say 2-3 sounds better.
Unbreakable said:
Each user can change in their options at what point comments will be hidden for them, or are you suggesting that the default option should be lowered? Anyway, -5 is too high imo, if a change is made I say 2-3 sounds better.
Yeah, the default should be lowered so a single downvote doesn't hide a comment by default. Most people have no idea they can change that, just because most people have no idea what settings even are.
If a comment is actually so bad that nobody should even see it because it might cause their head to implode, and you are disappearing it as doubleplusungood, you will have no problem getting 15 out of 25 people to downvote it. Even ArsTechnica doesn't hide a comment till at least -30, because they know their easily triggered readers aren't fragile enough to cut themselves by seeing a single person saying something cheeky about their waifu.
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My sentiments are the same as in forum #33243:
Or we could keep the default threshold at 0 and let all users choose the threshold they want.
0 works just fine as a default threshold.
Previous discussion, from 9 months ago. I still have the same question I did back then: How often do people actually vote on comments? What's the norm for a bad comment?
I don't think that users who don't know how to change the default threshold should have to suffer through shitposts just because we don't have enough active users to downvote them away. Especially if the proposed change doesn't lower the threshold for those currently using the default; new users would see all sorts of lousy comments that are already hidden for old users (and therefore not getting voted on), and get a completely different view of what type of commenting is normal for Danbooru.
fossilnix said:
Previous discussion, from 9 months ago. I still have the same question I did back then: How often do people actually vote on comments? What's the norm for a bad comment?
I don't think that users who don't know how to change the default threshold should have to suffer through shitposts just because we don't have enough active users to downvote them away. Especially if the proposed change doesn't lower the threshold for those currently using the default; new users would see all sorts of lousy comments that are already hidden for old users (and therefore not getting voted on), and get a completely different view of what type of commenting is normal for Danbooru.
A single downvote is not a shitpost or a lousy comment. That's just as likely the downvoter being a shithead, or even just mildly disapproving, or just a cranky old person ('old users') horrified by how millennials diss-ing their shizzat (90s edgy).
When you talk about 'old users' I think you mean really OLD users, right?
... -3 would be fine.
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sarusa said:
When you talk about 'old users' I think you mean really OLD users, right?
I mean users who signed up before the proposed change. Would the default change for everyone, or only people who sign up afterward?
sarusa said:
A single downvote is not a shitpost. That's just as likely the downvoter being a shithead, or even just mildly disapproving.
I kind of agree that "one downvote to hide" seems severe, but I'd really like to seem some data on voting trends before committing support to any specific number.
fossilnix said:
I kind of agree that "one downvote to hide" seems severe, but I'd really like to seem some data on voting trends before committing support to any specific number.
Even five downvotes to entirely disappear a comment is very low by most standards. How brittle do you need to be to hide something that 55 out of 100 people feel offended by?
There's really very little penalty to have people seeing even the worst comments, much less marginal comments. Just grey them out like sites for intelligent non-fragile people do. Actually, that's a decent approach... don't hide them, just make them light grey to indicate that the hivemind disapproves of your badthinks.
iridescent_slime said:
My sentiments are the same as in forum #33243:
'Users' have no idea there are settings. This is the most basic UX, and the reason Apple has the largest market cap.
fossilnix said:
Do we even have 55 comment-voting users? Seems like most of our users never upload or comment, let alone vote. This is why I want numbers.
Fine, 3 out of 2. You don't need numbers on Danbooru's calcified userbase to know that 1 downvote = banished is crazy Coventry bullshit. I'm fine with even -3 or -5. But you can't have any good numbers at all when -1 hides comments from statistically everyone. 'People can change their settings to unhide comments' is smirky Phillip Morris level sophistry. You know that most people won't can't do that.
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fossilnix said:
I kind of agree that "one downvote to hide" seems severe, but I'd really like to seem some data on voting trends before committing support to any specific number.
More data would be nice.
I'd speculate that most downvoted comments are ending up at -1 and staying there, the reason being that those comments immediately cease to be seen by the majority of users and therefore fail to attract any more downvotes. If this isn't the case, it implies that there are a bunch of users constantly clicking "Show all comments" just so they can pile more downvotes on comments they didn't have to see in the first place, which to me sounds like a colossal waste of time.
iridescent_slime said:
More data would be nice.
I'd speculate that most downvoted comments are ending up at -1 and staying there, the reason being that those comments immediately cease to be seen by the majority of users and therefore fail to attract any more downvotes. If this isn't the case, it implies that there are a bunch of users constantly clicking "Show all comments" just so they can pile more downvotes on comments they didn't have to see in the first place, which to me sounds like a colossal waste of time.
For what it's worth, I always check hidden comments on posts that have them (I use the default threshold) and upvote if I think they deserve it and downvote if it's some stupid shit that deserves to be hidden.
Unbreakable said:
For what it's worth, I always check hidden comments on posts that have them (I use the default threshold) and upvote if I think they deserve it and downvote if it's some stupid shit that deserves to be hidden.
This is what sophisticated users do - and if you can't get a preponderance of 3 of these users downvoting it's probably not a comment that's so terrible that you should hide it from ever being seen by anyone else.
Again, back to the original post, do you think a single downvote should hide a comment from 99% of Danbooru members?
Even a comment that is so salacious and titillating and rude that THREE whole people are offended isn't so bad that you should disappear it. 30 people, maybe.
Edit: All right, I get it, you're right, even a single downvote means you shitposted. Let's embrace that till we get more data.
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I hear there's a call for some numbers...
https://isshiki.donmai.us/user-reports/comments/%21CURRENT.html <__<
sarusa said:
Even five downvotes to entirely disappear a comment is very low by most standards. How brittle do you need to be to hide something that 55 out of 100 people feel offended by?
There's really very little penalty to have people seeing even the worst comments, much less marginal comments. Just grey them out like sites for intelligent non-fragile people do. Actually, that's a decent approach... don't hide them, just make them light grey to indicate that the hivemind disapproves of your badthinks.
IMO, when the comment offends 55 people out of 100, it's enough reason to ban the user who created that comment, not just hide it. You're not supposed to leave such comments here, we don't embrace shitposting.
I actually don't see anything wrong with the way it works now, since it effectively nips most conflicts in the bud, since less experienced part of the userbase doesn't even see them. If you don't want your comment to get hidden, then think before writing it.
BrokenEagle98 said:
I hear there's a call for some numbers...
https://isshiki.donmai.us/user-reports/comments/%21CURRENT.html <__<
Yeah, there we go. According to BrokenEagle98's stats - out of 194 comments, 8 would have been hidden with a -5 threshold. Thirteen if you want to go with -3.
Those -1 or -2 comments aren't life threatening at all. Go ahead, look at them, if your snowflake head explodes, I'll paypal you some starch.
Type-kun said:
IMO, when the comment offends 55 people out of 100, it's enough reason to ban the user who created that comment, not just hide it. You're not supposed to leave such comments here, we don't embrace shitposting.
Yes, I agree, let's cleanse the world from shitposting, a single vote at a time senpai. I know you won't complain, senpai. And as you've all said so very eloquently, a single person wouldn't vindictively downvote everything you ever said unless you were shitposting, senpai.
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sarusa said:
Yes, I agree, let's cleanse the world from shitposting, a single vote at a time senpai. I know you won't complain, senpai. I'll do my best, senpai.
Destructive comments won't help you in this forum topic.
I used to think that a -1 threshold is too high, but you can change the setting and since I can see the scores on each comment, I can say that posts that don't deserve the -1 are getting upvoted eventually.
