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The loli tag is (or should be) based only on a character's appearance, not on the character's canonical age or backstory. A post can be tagged loli if the character is drawn in an especially loli-ish way, even if the character is supposed to be past puberty.
You're right though, a lot of these pics don't seem like they should be tagged as loli. I went ahead and removed the tag from a few that obviously weren't loli. There are still a lot that seem sort of questionable, though.
It is also important to note that loli tag should only be used if the character is being depicted sexually or in an erotic manner. Safe for work general images should be tagged as child instead.
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I did a quick search of lucky_star loli, and didn't find anything that doesn't belong. Someone else might have beaten me to it though.
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it seems random.
i'll do a quick example of Tsukasa.
i guess because it's an old upload a year old.
post #251735 (i uploaded this one from a blog)
post #122472 (albert uploaded this one)
the one i have was tagged loli by ZapTrap
yet amusingly he has fav'd the one by albert with no loli tag.
so this is confusing to me. since there are many sexual LS pics that have no loli tag on them. would Lucky Star pics have "child" tags if they are fully clothed?
unicogirl said:
the one i have was tagged loli by ZapTrap
yet amusingly he has fav'd the one by albert with no loli tag.
Because there is pussy showing in albert's post. You should have realized the standards that an average danbooru user uses to favorite images on this site by now.
I think loli should mostly apply to appearance rather than canonical age, however I think it's bad if non-priv users can't see lucky shit pics just because of the art style used in the show.
I think the "loli" tag shouldn't necessarily apply for girls who have loli characteristics (which doesn't = child), but in images where it's reasonable to conclude that the subject is a child. Otherwise, what of other flat-chested adults?
unicogirl said:
post #251735 (i uploaded this one from a blog)
post #122472 (albert uploaded this one)
But since the former still has panties, it's Questionable instead of Explicit like the latter is (as per the general standard for Explicit/Questionable). And yet, does it still count as loli?
The rules of the loli tag are pretty clear.
1) Canon age has no bearing whatsoever on tagging with loli. Age in anime has virtually no meaning.
2) Appearance is the important part. This is subjective, but not oppressively or confusingly so. There will be borderline cases that are tough to judge, but it's often pretty simple.
3) It must be sexual in nature. An image is not loli simply because it has a little girl in it. It's loli because the little girl is sticking a carrot up her ass.
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RaisingK said: So it doesn't necessarily matter if they're fully nude? Only if there's something else going on?
Sexual in nature doesn't have to mean *sex* or even penetration/insertion. Carrots in butts was just an (attempt at a humorous) example. Nudity would still be "sexual" in most circumstances.
I am being nitpicky because there are pics as loli, that to me - would not be loli at all.
What this seems like, is everyone is interpreting the rules in their own way. You say rule 2) is pretty simple, but for some it's not.
Moetan for example is something that is all over the place, she is a walking parody.
Few weeks ago I saw a post tagged as loli, of a child holding a crab, no nudity, no sex...just her and a crab.
rule 1)
I can understand
rule 2) with rule 3)
post #135511 (Yui LS), is this counted as woman with flat chest, or counted as loli?
post #172994 (Yui LS), large breast. to me both pics are her as a woman, regardless of her bust size.
post #137744 (Yutaka LS), she is just sitting with a shirt open, but nothing sexual going on, yet it's tagged as loli.
post #199967 (Yutaka LS), nude and wrapped in ribbon, not loli.
Fumika and Fuuka of Negima is another example, yes they are small and flat chested.
post #233884 (burama pull) now why do you think the user tagged this as a loli?
post #120437 (original) are the panties peek a call for loli? is the style used in that picture loli?
post #265065 (lucuha) fully clothed, bent over. to me, that isn't sexual, to someone else it would be.
unicogirl said:
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post #135511 (Yui LS) - biased because I know the character, but she doesn't look that loli... does she?
post #137744 (Yutaka LS) - Ha, Yutaka looks pretty mature there, compared to how she usually is.
Not loli at all, so removing the tag:
post #233884 (burama pull) - burama pull isn't much
post #120437 (original) - same reason
post #265065 (lucuha) - same reason
The problem is most likely just people not knowing the child/loli distinction Danbooru makes. I made that mistake once, a while back.
I may be on shaky ground with the first two, but surely the other three can't count.
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RaisingK said: I may be on shaky ground with the first two, but surely the other three can't count.
I think I more or less agree with your choices, with the first being the toughest decision. Removing it seems like a defensible choice however.
unicogirl, don't mix up "mistakes sometimes get made" with "it's a widespread problem". The former doesn't call for any special attention, just basic alertness and post maintenance. The vast majority of truly loli images are properly tagged loli, and the vast majority of non-loli images of young girls are properly not tagged loli. The system as it stands now needs no particular overhaul, just occasional checks through the loli tag to fix mistakes.
Borderline cases will never be tagged to perfection because perfection is impossible, but getting "nitpicky" or overly worried only makes it into a much more time consuming issue than it would be otherwise. There have occasionally been people who got it horribly wrong and screwed up numerous images because of it, but that's rare and fixable.
Basically, don't worry too much about it. Tag to the best of your ability, and in good faith, and it'll be fine.
This topic reminds me of a couple of things:
1) I uploaded a picture (post #356552 to be exact) that I wasn't sure was loli or not. I just left it without the tag and someone else tagged it as loli instead. I probably should have added it anyway so people who can see it could judge accordingly, but the way I add tags (after I add the first thing of tags, I tend to notice that I missed a tag. When I add that, I notice another tag I missed, etc.), it's probably better I did it the way I did.
2) post #179848 was something I noticed in the past but never acted on. I know for a fact that the shoulder pad she is wearing in the picture is a part of her young outfit. I'm going to add the loli tag now, but if anyone feels it shouldn't be tagged as such feel free to change it.
jxh2154 said:Basically, don't worry too much about it. Tag to the best of your ability, and in good faith, and it'll be fine.
So if I were to remove loli tags from images that I wouldn't consider loli, I won't get a warning about that?
Understandable how strong sexual images are loli.
But for minor ones, that is were it gets weird. I'm not worried about it lol, I would just like more detail of 'when it is, and when it's not'.
unicogirl said: So if I were to remove loli tags from images that I wouldn't consider loli, I won't get a warning about that?
Not unless you're consistently just so ridiculously, wildly off that nobody can figure out what you were thinking. When in doubt, leave the image as it is. Or ask, although I don't want the forum flooded with "should I tag this with 'x'" requests.
As for "when it is/not", just think: would you rate the image 'safe'? Then it can't be loli. Safe images can have panties, but not cameltoe. Bikinis and tasteful bras, but not nipslips. If it's a young looking character and you'd rate the image explicit, then it's loli. If you'd rate the image questionable, consider if it's closer to safe or explicit. If you're really stumped, just see how other images are tagged.
As or "young looking", just try to use common sense... well defined body curves, defined muscles, body proportions etc are ways I try to decide. Usually it's not all that hard to come to a snap decision after glancing at it.
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