We also have the screaming tag.
And I think I populated it the most. Mostly in comics when there are speech bubbles and the characters are obviously "talking". Same with screaming (which is indicated by a more "ferocious" speech bubble).
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Screaming is more obvious in images without dialogue. How are you supposed to tell if someone is talking or just has their mouth open to use the talking tag? You'd need speech bubbles and dialogue to provide any concrete evidence of talking, and I don't see the point in tagging every comic with talking.
But we have a speech bubble tag...
Possibly make it animation exclusive?
Like I said, speech bubbles can apply to both screaming and talking.
Then there are post without speech bubbles (post #2642460) where the characters are clearly "talking". You can't search this post with speech bubble, though.
It seems we could have a tag for when two individuals are talking - having dialog - and when one is talking to themselves. Or not make the distinction and make implications from yelling, talking etc. to 'dialog,' which for are purposes can include one person since they could be talking to the viewer.
sweetpeɐ said:
It seems we could have a tag for when two individuals are talking - having dialog - and when one is talking to themselves. Or not make the distinction and make implications from yelling, talking etc. to 'dialog,' which for are purposes can include one person since they could be talking to the viewer.
That is a good idea.
Dialogue and monologue come into my mind for this.
Or would that complicate most things? Most comics or texts are in Japanese and without a translation, it could be hard to tell.
To me, I don't think it's intuitive enough to require tagging. It sounds like it would be a pain for most users to remember, and wouldn't prove of much use since speech bubble is already indicative of such things. But I'd be more open to some sort of spiked speech bubble or the like.
Provence said:
That is a good idea.
Dialogue and monologue come into my mind for this.
Or would that complicate most things? Most comics or texts are in Japanese and without a translation, it could be hard to tell.
I think it's a good idea but monologue (talking to or at viewer) would also require immense effort to tag for marginal at best benefits. Personally I want it but also don't at all want to go back and tag for it so maybe not a great idea XD. I like the idea of tagging dialog between characters where you can clearly see their mouths or body language showing they are conversing - dialog -, but would this too require too much work as well? This may be apart from the main current of the thread but I think it falls in line with 'tag' what you see. I think a character's body language is what matters no the context of what words say on the screen, in my opinion a character can be talking, yelling, whispering, etc regardless of if there are even words there.
^ It requires too much effort. That's my gripe with it. You'd have to go through almost literally every post in comic to tag a thing that's pretty obvious at first glance.
Common users won't pick it up adequately enough, and the effort to tag it would only be put forth by those who would support such a thing. So I'm personally against it. There comes a point where there's too much to remember, and this is one of these things.
sweetpeɐ said:
I think it's a good idea but monologue (talking to or at viewer) would also require immense effort to tag for marginal at best benefits. Personally I want it but also don't at all want to go back and tag for it so maybe not a great idea XD. I like the idea of tagging dialog between characters where you can clearly see their mouths or body language showing they are conversing - dialog -, but would this too require too much work as well? This may be apart from the main current of the thread but I think it falls in line with 'tag' what you see. I think a character's body language is what matters no the context of what words say on the screen, in my opinion a character can be talking, yelling, whispering, etc regardless of if there are even words there.
The comic taghas way too many posts. That would actually be more tag gardening and in order to make the distinction between monologue and dialogue one has to read the thing first, because some situations might not be clear, although the idea is still good but sadly not practicable.
I'd just keep everything as it is
Mikaeri said:
^ It requires too much effort. That's my gripe with it. You'd have to go through almost literally every post in comic to tag a thing that's pretty obvious at first glance.
Well a lot of things are obvious and seem to go without saying. For instance we tag for eyebrows visible through hair, blush, looking at viewer. Search for eyebrows visible through hair doesn't really help the user since it's so ubiquitous if you search for -eyebrows_visible_through_hair you will find much the same thing. So maybe we could set a standard but it doesn't mean we have to go back and retag everything?
Common users won't pick it up adequately enough, and the effort to tag it would only be put forth by those who would support such a thing. So I'm personally against it. There comes a point where there's too much to remember, and this is one of these things.
What do you mean, put forth for this?
Provence said:
The comic taghas way too many posts. That would actually be more tag gardening and in order to make the distinction between monologue and dialogue one has to read the thing first, because some situations might not be clear, although the idea is still good but sadly not practicable.
I'd just keep everything as it is
Ah alright, I think I may have had a different idea than you all anyway, of strictly body languages versus the context of the actual subject of communication.
Mikaeri said:
^ It requires too much effort. That's my gripe with it. You'd have to go through almost literally every post in comic to tag a thing that's pretty obvious at first glance.
Common users won't pick it up adequately enough, and the effort to tag it would only be put forth by those who would support such a thing. So I'm personally against it. There comes a point where there's too much to remember, and this is one of these things.
+1 with this. Yes, Danbooru is operates on a 'tag what you see' basis, but sometimes that can be taken a little too far such as with this. I mean, sure, we have a dark skin and various skin color tags, but do we have a caucasian tag? No, because it's another one of those obvious contextual things that doesn't need a tag. That's my opinion with the talking tag - that there are other speech-related tags that have value such as screaming or crying, but talking is superfluous, obvious, ambiguous, and clearly too much of a pain for anyone to put the effort into populating.
Pretty much. At least with eyebrows visible through hair and the like, I treat it mostly as a 'filler' tag. That is, it's a tag that might aid in a search, but isn't guaranteed to appear. Hair color and other things like that will almost always be there, but there are a great number of tags that go underused because of the minimum acceptable threshold for tagging. Tags like arms up, hands up, hand between legs, v arms and bangs (and their subtags) also go unnoticed by a great number of other uploaders, even though some (like myself) tag it on nearly every upload thus far when I see them.
Anyways, I'm for nuking it and replacing it with speech bubble if it isn't there already. And for posts that have text but not in bubbles... Well, I don't know if talking would even be sufficient to describe that.
What if there was another tag made for such free-floating speech that isn't enclosed in a speech bubble? Talking is obviously too ambiguous for that purpose, so it would need to be tightened into a more concrete tag. This can go one of two ways;
1. Address the text that's present.
2. Address the speech bubble that's absent.
In my opinion, the second option would be easier to tag on a mass scale since a speech bubble (or lack thereof) is easier to see. For instance, a no_speech_bubble tag that's defined as, 'Speech between characters, but the dialogue is not encased in a speech bubble like what would normally be seen in a comic.'
If we went the first option, the only idea that comes to my mind is speaking, and that's practically a synonym for talking and would just compound the problem even more.
I'm in favor of something simple like a speech tag -- if it's done this way then maybe:
speech bubble implicates speech
And to find posts without speech bubbles, -speech_bubble speech. I like it more than talking or speaking, and it can easily and quickly be adopted when others start to see that tag be used from the implication.
no speech bubble is a bit wordy in my opinion. That, and I'm more for tagging the presence of things rather than the lack of them.