Approvals confusion...

Okay, so I'm a bit lost here. A long while ago, I talked with a site admin about how to get approval permissions. The longer short of it, you need to have been on here long enough, you need to have a certain number of uploads, and you need to have a low percentage of rejected uploads.

I didn't meet that last bit, but overall it came off as fair and reasonable. Then today, I discover an approver who *hasn't* been on here as long, has ZERO uploads, and overall VERY little activity in general. He's an ordinary member with no inviters, yet he's able to approve posts.

For the record, I won't be naming him unless I'm asked by site staff - and only in a PM. But, the gist of this thread is...have the requirements changed in like the last year?

MikeTheV said:

...have the requirements changed in like the last year?

Yes, in topic #11837

albert said:

I will start aggressively recruiting new approvers. Every month 3-5 users with good uploads or favorites will be selected and gain the approval flag. After a month their approvals will be reviewed and they'll either keep or lose their approval right.

I assume you mean people with 'builder' ranks rather than janitors. There are indeed a few people with all-0 / very low profile stats. link to list

Edit; mis-assumed, there are indeed some normal member-rank approvers as you/fossilnix said.

fossilnix said:

Yes, in topic #11837

Yeah...about that. That's *when * I contacted albert about it - like a month after he made that post. To see if I qualified. Even with his "aggressive campaign", I didn't.

Yet the guy I'm talking about, frankly...he basically hasn't done shit whatsoever and has the perk.

MikeTheV said:

Yeah...about that. That's *when * I contacted albert about it - like a month after he made that post. To see if I qualified. Even with his "aggressive campaign", I didn't.

Yet the guy I'm talking about, frankly...he basically hasn't done shit whatsoever and has the perk.

What's his user name? My guess is he is not doing as bad a job as you suggest. If you have a bad ratio just work on being more discerning. There are many things you can do to help around here, approval permission is not a crowning accomplishment.

MikeTheV said:

Yet the guy I'm talking about, frankly...he basically hasn't done shit whatsoever and has the perk.

Is this user, by any chance, General(Trident)?

tapnek said:

Is this user, by any chance, General(Trident)?

No, but he's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

In the interests of transparency, here is the full list of past and current approvers. There are indeed about 10 Member-level approvers who seem to have been chosen based on their favorites. Which I don't understand at all, but okay.

Presented without further comment:

Yup, guy I was talking about is in that list.

Soo...we gonna get an admin or someone in here to illuminate on what's going on? :/

On a slightly related topic, what's with all of the Janitors...? Help:users claims that it's an obsolete level, yet they're still around. Does it even do anything anymore, or is it just a form of E-status...?

BrokenEagle98 said:

On a slightly related topic, what's with all of the Janitors...? Help:users claims that it's an obsolete level, yet they're still around. Does it even do anything anymore, or is it just a form of E-status...?

I think they just ditched their permissions, right?

MikeTheV said:

Yup, guy I was talking about is in that list.

Soo...we gonna get an admin or someone in here to illuminate on what's going on? :/

I'm pretty sure approver selection is an automated process which runs monthly. This part of code seems responsible for it.

Requirements, reworded for human comprehension:

• must have logged in within last week
• existed for at least 6 month
• at least 400 uploads OR favorites
• can't approve posts yet

10 people are selected randomly from the list of matching users, then the following restriction is applied for each of them:

• 400 uploads is selected randomly
• 400 favorites is selected randomly
• selected posts are combined into one big set, and post scores are analyzed
• 50th percentile of the analyzed scores (aka median score) must fall between 3 and 10.

There's no guarantee that even one user will match on any given month, since all 10 selected in the first part can fail the second test.

Well that's illuminating...

What about the off-chance that the 50th percentile is above 10? I remember checking the average upload scores from the preceding month at one time, and certain users were way up into the teens...

BrokenEagle98 said:

Well that's illuminating...

What about the off-chance that the 50th percentile is above 10? I remember checking the average upload scores from the preceding month at one time, and certain users were way up into the teens...

That's mostly because of the ama mitsuki bandwagon, where each of his multi-view kancolle shots get an average of 70 score.

BrokenEagle98 said:

Well that's illuminating...

What about the off-chance that the 50th percentile is above 10? I remember checking the average upload scores from the preceding month at one time, and certain users were way up into the teens...

Not selected as well. New approvers were recruited with the intention of filtering borderline art, on the premise that we have enough people to approve obviously good (10+ score) stuff.

Type-kun said:

I'm pretty sure approver selection is an automated process which runs monthly. This part of code seems responsible for it.

Requirements, reworded for human comprehension:

• must have logged in within last week
• existed for at least 6 month
• at least 400 uploads OR favorites
• can't approve posts yet

10 people are selected randomly from the list of matching users, then the following restriction is applied for each of them:

• 400 uploads is selected randomly
• 400 favorites is selected randomly
• selected posts are combined into one big set, and post scores are analyzed
• 50th percentile of the analyzed scores (aka median score) must fall between 3 and 10.

There's no guarantee that even one user will match on any given month, since all 10 selected in the first part can fail the second test.

Okay, that's *absolute nonsense*. That's literally a lottery that can be given to a person who doesn't even care for it. If that ends up being the case, it doesn't even move down the list - it just starts the process all over again.

MikeTheV said:

Okay, that's *absolute nonsense*. That's literally a lottery that can be given to a person who doesn't even care for it. If that ends up being the case, it doesn't even move down the list - it just starts the process all over again.

It does move, though. Invitation is sent only once, and the person is free to refuse.

Type-kun said:

It does move, though. Invitation is sent only once, and the person is free to refuse.

Still doesn't really seem fair to people who've been around a while, and have been contributing for a while.

MikeTheV said:

Still doesn't really seem fair to people who've been around a while, and have been contributing for a while.

Might you be trying to refer to yourself?

CodeKyuubi said:

Might you be trying to refer to yourself?

Maybe lol. Though it's obvious I'm not the only one.

Let me put this into layman's terms for you: They wrote an algorithm that judges people based on their likes, which ultimately determines what gets approved and not. How far removed is that from Terry Gilliam's vision of the future?