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NWF_Renim said:
If it's seriously an issue, I think I'd favor only those with approval privileges being able to see the red boarder and users without those privileges seeing it the same as the mod queue boarder.
This would probably be ideal. It's difficult to flag any post and not have someone get really angry that it was flagged and give no real counter-argument.
Jarlath said:
I just wish it was easier to see which posts you hat that got flagged, myself. I only usually don't find out until AFTER the post was deleted, which is the only reason that I like seeing the red border.
You could always run a user:Jarlath status:flagged query every once in a while, or better yet, make that query one of your saved searches so that you can see it from your profile (assuming we can make saved searches private)...
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Subscriptions can also be used for the above since they support tag combinations, and they can also be made private.
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BrokenEagle98 said:
You could always run a user:Jarlath status:flagged query every once in a while, or better yet, make that query one of your saved searches so that you can see it from your profile (assuming we can make saved searches private)...
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Subscriptions can also be used for the above since they support tag combinations, and they can also be made private.
AFAIK, saved searches aren't shown on the profile just subscriptions which aren't private. That was discussed in the subscription thread.
Jarlath said:
AFAIK, saved searches aren't shown on the profile just subscriptions which aren't private. That was discussed in the subscription thread.
Confirmed. Also, subscriptions can be made private, or at least there's a checkbox when editing subscriptions that says private...
In the interim for anyone interested, topic #9662 contains CSS example settings that'll change the border colors of the thumbnails for yourself... specifically forum #99903.
So if you like red, you can stick with red... if you like blue, you can change it to that...
Flags need to be less accusatory. Bluish makes sense because they're kinda like pending. Purple's fine too, except I still think that'd be better for series pools.
There's no need to call flags out to everyone. Others can do nothing about flags anyway. It just creates a beacon for drama.
I will also suggest a couple more things:
People other than approvers can't do anything about flags. There's no point in having the peanut gallery complain over them. The comments are a bad venue to discuss flags anyway. If flags really need to be discussed, it should be in a forum thread.
approver:none would make it possible to search just contributor uploads. Would be useful for janitors for reviewing contributor uploads.
evazion said:
approver:none would make it possible to search just contributor uploads. Would be useful for janitors for reviewing contributor uploads.
I suggested exactly that thing to @Type-kun but since the other flag is still closed and there is also a voting topic, I thought I only talk about that behind the curtains at first. But I make a big +1 for this.
Also, you other points makes also a lot of sense, but I'm against hiding the reason completely. That means that the uploader should see it and if they disagree, they can write a comment. Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense to contact them with a DM, but I think you meant thst the reason should be included^^.
NWF_Renim said:
-1. I'd rather retain red for flagged images, as this is to draw approvers attention. Reds and yellows are specifically used because that is what they do. That's also why they're commonly used in nature, to draw attention.
Why should these posts have higher odds of being approved? The flag option is to get an opinion, just like we need an opinion on pending posts that aren't contributed by approvers. But that means that Contributor uploads are still valued higher as other because you want approver to specifically look at them. Why not at all pending uploads then?
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evazion said: (forum #119363)
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+1 to all of that.
It wasn't specifically pointed out, but approver:any has its uses too. With that, you can see (1) a contributor's uploads that were sent to the queue, or (2) a contributor's uploads that were flagged and then subsequently reapproved. Both of those are useful IMO, since I could easily see what other contributors consider queue-worthy and/or potential flagging indicators, which would allow me to adjust my own upload decisions if necessary.
evazion said:
There should be approver:none and approver:any metatags.
approver:none would make it possible to search just contributor uploads. Would be useful for janitors for reviewing contributor uploads.
approver:any doesn't work but -approver:none seems to work, despite approver:none returns nothing.
Btw, -approver:any is broken : it returns the same posts than -approver:none
evazion said:
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On the other hand, as a standard user, I think it's pretty useful to see if a picture has been flagged. It does breed a lot of drama, true, and that's unfortunate. I'm first in line to get annoyed when I see arguments in the comments of like 50% of every flagged post ever.
But for example I like to see the reason a picture was flagged, most particularly if it's a reason that I don't agree with, in order to keep track of the upload and see if it gets deleted or not, in order to appeal it later.
To give you an example, while browsing the front page I took notice of a flagged post and clicked it to see the flag reason, I couldn't see much from the thumbnail. I'm not particularly into the franchise or the character in the post, I only clicked it because I saw that it was flagged and wanted to see why, and in turn I ended up disagreeing with the flag. I probably wouldn't have taken notice of the picture if it was pending/in queue or if it was approved, and I only really noticed it because it was flagged.
-1.
A color change isn't going to stop the reaction to a post being flagged for deletion. If the color bothers people, the same can eventually happen with whatever color people are asking to change it to.
This is a band-aid, a temporary solution for something that I don't think needs to be changed at all.
Provence said:
Why should these posts have higher odds of being approved? The flag option is to get an opinion, just like we need an opinion on pending posts that aren't contributed by approvers. But that means that Contributor uploads are still valued higher as other because you want approver to specifically look at them. Why not at all pending uploads then?
Not seeing how this is giving them higher odds (if anything receiving a flag will give an image lower odds regardless). Having them stand out for moderators is important though, because flagged posts won't necessarily be a part of the same block of posts as pending posts if you're not using the mod queue. Images pending approval will all be in the most recent set of posts, but flagged posts can be of any age. Having attention drawn to them for approvers is to at least help compensate the fact that they'll be less visible due to their potential post positioning to begin with.
I'm also not sure what I said that implied anything about treating contributors extra special, and yet you're going off on that subject. Flagging impacts both contributors and non-contributors so there is no reason you should be singling out contributors here. This is set for the benefit of either type of user, not just one side. Trying to change this isn't going to work at resolving the problem you're seeing.
NWF_Renim said:
Not seeing how this is giving them higher odds (if anything receiving a flag will give an image lower odds regardless). Having them stand out for moderators is important though, because flagged posts won't necessarily be a part of the same block of posts as pending posts if you're not using the mod queue. Images pending approval will all be in the most recent set of posts, but flagged posts can be of any age. Having attention drawn to them for approvers is to at least help compensate the fact that they'll be less visible due to their potential post positioning to begin with.
I'm also not sure what I said that implied anything about treating contributors extra special, and yet you're going off on that subject. Flagging impacts both contributors and non-contributors so there is no reason you should be singling out contributors here.
We now that this mainly focusses on Contributors here. Of course every flagged post is meant. So sorry for that misunderstanding that let you write the second paragraph.
But what I meant with higher odds: Flagged posts have normally a much higher amount of people checking it because red draws attention to it.
But more approvers equals a larger variety of people looking at it. So in regard of people looking at the post, the odds are much higher it is getting approved.
Pending posts do have a blue border and therefore not drawing attention to a post (and with color psychology, this seems correct and logic).
Apollyon said:
-1.
A color change isn't going to stop the reaction to a post being flagged for deletion. If the color bothers people, the same can eventually happen with whatever color people are asking to change it to.
This is a band-aid, a temporary solution for something that I don't think needs to be changed at all.
Did you actually try that in the long run (in another forum, real life)? You sound very confident, since colors have a huge, huge impact on people and in theory, I'd object that theory of yours.
Also don't you want to comment forum #119363 or forum #119353 since both take that a bit further.
Rignak said:
approver:any doesn't work but -approver:none seems to work, despite approver:none returns nothing.
Btw, -approver:any is broken : it returns the same posts than -approver:none
Isn't it that -approver:none is excluding images approved by the user "none", and -approver:any is excluding images approved by the user "any". As neither have approved any images, this obviously returns the same set of results for both.
-approver:kuuderes_shadow returns exactly the same set of results.
Provence said:
Did you actually try that in the long run (in another forum, real life)? You sound very confident, since colors have a huge, huge impact on people and in theory, I'd object that theory of yours.
Also don't you want to comment forum #119363 or forum #119353 since both take that a bit further.
I already read their alternatives beforehand. I didn't comment on them because I still don't think this needs to be changed at all.
kuuderes_shadow said:
Isn't it that -approver:none is excluding images approved by the user "none", and -approver:any is excluding images approved by the user "any". As neither have approved any images, this obviously returns the same set of results for both.
-approver:kuuderes_shadow returns exactly the same set of results.
Oh, right. So, the searchs "-approver:id" give all the pictures which were approved but not by "id" ?
tapnek said:
Let me ask this question. This problem we're trying to solve, is it really a big problem? It doesn't look like it to me.
Well, I can only say that the discussions below a post are often meh at best.
That's why I also called OOZ662 here, since they think that this is annoying, too...?
So I'd like to hear what they think about that topic and the suggestions^^.
