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So Gelbooru has obnoxious, flashy, trashy, bottom of the barrel, shitty ads now. If you've ever wanted to buy penis enlargement pills, just head on over there. They're also deleting posts on the forum complaining about the bad ads.
So since they're clearly going the way of the dodo, I've decided to come over here. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between Gelbooru and Danbooru?
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Not sure this is considered off-topic, since the forums are supposed to be about Danbooru itself and how it's run. Though if you want to know more about Danbooru, I'd suggest reading the wiki howto:get_started.
Marbleball said:
So Gelbooru has obnoxious, flashy, trashy, bottom of the barrel, shitty ads now. If you've ever wanted to buy penis enlargement pills, just head on over there. They're also deleting posts on the forum complaining about the bad ads.
They might be just putting ads up to keep their server costs in check. That's the problem with free stuff on the net. You are either getting spammed by ads or your personal data is being sold.
You could also try to install uBlock Origin to bypass ads.
Personally, I hate ads and I'd rather pay for a good service than accepting eye-cancer and privacy issues.
Marbleball said:
So since they're clearly going the way of the dodo, I've decided to come over here. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between Gelbooru and Danbooru?
Some differences:
I can't really tell you that much about Gelbooru because I set up my home base over at yande.re (moe.imouto / oreno.imouto) ~9 years ago.
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I like to think of Danbooru as the more refined, mature brother of Gelbooru. We basically filter out much more lower quality content and hold user behavior to a higher standard, so those used to the "freedom" of unregulated sites tend to see us as snobbish and irreconcilable. I still prefer our methods overall.
The Wiki has a lot of resources for understanding how the site operates if you'd rather spend a little while reading instead of a long while lurking.
- They (Gelbooru) run a Danbooru fork named Gelbooru Beta. Now they seem to be creating something "new".
afaik the only similarity Gelbooru has to Danbooru (software-wise) is that they're both imageboard software. Gelbooru isn't a fork of Danbooru, it's written in a completely different language (PHP vs Ruby).
Anyway.
We do not pre-moderate user uploads like Danbooru does, we only do it after the fact. We do not hide loli/shota behind a paywall as danbooru does (which, I believe, is why we have some of the ads that we do, unfortunately, most 'normal' advertisers won't take us because of that.)
That said, I agree that this is off-topic to the purpose of Danbooru's forum, and will be my only post.
DeusExCalamus said:
afaik the only similarity Gelbooru has to Danbooru (software-wise) is that they're both imageboard software. Gelbooru isn't a fork of Danbooru, it's written in a completely different language (PHP vs Ruby).
Danbooru v1 was written in PHP. I can't be 100% sure about that, but I think it was forked back then, since Gelbooru looks quite similar to Danbooru v1.
Marbleball, the main differences, aside from no ads, are much stricter moderation (both in posts and comments) and somewhat restricted basic accounts. Read help:users, see what golden/platinum can do and basic members can't.
OOZ662 said:
I like to think of Danbooru as the more refined, mature brother of Gelbooru. We basically filter out much more lower quality content and hold user behavior to a higher standard, so those used to the "freedom" of unregulated sites tend to see us as snobbish and irreconcilable. I still prefer our methods overall.
The Wiki has a lot of resources for understanding how the site operates if you'd rather spend a little while reading instead of a long while lurking.
I'd also like to point out that Danbooru tends to be a lot more a lot more thorough in tagging, and while Gelbooru often pulls images from Danbooru, a lot of the tags don't get updated when posts on Danbooru have tags added or removed. It's generally easier to find specific images here.
OOZ662 said:
I like to think of Danbooru as the more refined, mature brother of Gelbooru. We basically filter out much more lower quality content and hold user behavior to a higher standard, so those used to the "freedom" of unregulated sites tend to see us as snobbish and irreconcilable. I still prefer our methods overall.
Oh come on. The higher standard is based on what the Danboru staff deems good. A lot of crap still exist on Danbooru while a lot of high quality images get deleted because nobody on the staff likes them. The quality isn't necessarily higher on Danbooru, it is just more controlled and based more on what the people "hired" happen to like.
As for Gelbooru uploading stuff that is uploaded on Danbooru and "borrowing" their tags -- that is only done out of convenience. The tags are kept because using the same tags as Danbooru will make it easier not only on the staff but on the users as well...
As for uploading the images uploaded on Dabooru, this is also true... but why shouldn't they? Gelbooru is trying to gather art, so mirroring Danbooru is a good strategy. At the end of the day, nothing is stopping Danbooru from mirroring Gelbooru and doing the same.
As for the ads... yes so? They are just ads. Either you pay money and have stuff like loli etc behind a paywall, or you accept having a large penis being pushed up against your face. Why do you fear the penis?
Type-kun said:
Danbooru v1 was written in PHP. I can't be 100% sure about that, but I think it was forked back then, since Gelbooru looks quite similar to Danbooru v1.
Nope. Gelbooru was written entirely from scratch.
Then rewritten again entirely from scratch when we moved to the 0.2.x branch.
Exhazar said:
I'd also like to point out that Danbooru tends to be a lot more a lot more thorough in tagging, and while Gelbooru often pulls images from Danbooru, a lot of the tags don't get updated when posts on Danbooru have tags added or removed. It's generally easier to find specific images here.
We have a user who runs a bot that imports all of the tag edits from Danbooru to Gelbooru. While Gelbooru itself doesn't import these edits, this user does a pretty good job of getting them across the divide. I'd say finding specific images (at least, among the ones that are on both sites) is comparable between the two; Gelbooru's just a little bit lagged.
Setsunator said:
Oh come on. The higher standard is based on what the Danboru staff deems good. A lot of crap still exist on Danbooru while a lot of high quality images get deleted because nobody on the staff likes them. The quality isn't necessarily higher on Danbooru, it is just more controlled and based more on what the people "hired" happen to like.
I'm afraid to say that this is true. The bias exists. Doesn't mean that Gelbooru keeps everything uploaded to it. If a post is ultrashit, it gets purged.
DeusExCalamus said:
afaik the only similarity Gelbooru has to Danbooru (software-wise) is that they're both imageboard software. Gelbooru isn't a fork of Danbooru, it's written in a completely different language (PHP vs Ruby).
Type-kun said:
Danbooru v1 was written in PHP. I can't be 100% sure about that, but I think it was forked back then, since Gelbooru looks quite similar to Danbooru v1.
Just did some digging and found out the following:
Setsunator said:
As for uploading the images uploaded on Dabooru, this is also true... but why shouldn't they? Gelbooru is trying to gather art, so mirroring Danbooru is a good strategy. At the end of the day, nothing is stopping Danbooru from mirroring Gelbooru and doing the same.
Some stats:
The user "danbooru" has uploaded 2.306.886 images from Danbooru to Gelbooru. Gelbooru hosts 3.039.641 images in total.
Setsunator said:
As for the ads... yes so? They are just ads. Either you pay money and have stuff like loli etc behind a paywall, or you accept having a large penis being pushed up against your face. Why do you fear the penis?
Calling it "paywall" (for loli content) sound pretty cynical. You are also getting lots of other important features by buying into or contributing to Danbooru. It's a freemium service to a certain degree.
If you like the idea of financing a website by viewing ugly spyware and tracking ads, then this is totally fine with me. In this case, you also shouldn't use an adblocker. Doing so is going to label you as an antisocial freeloader. The site operator can also be encouraged to use even more radical types of ads (see OP and deleted QQ threads on Gelbooru).
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reiyasona said:
- The old Danbooru Source code (around ~1.5.0) makes use of Ruby, JavaScript and C++.
Well color me embarrassed, looks like Danbooru actually was ruby right from the start. I must have confused it with something when I was thinking of PHP to ruby transition.
Jerl said:
Nope. Gelbooru was written entirely from scratch.
Then rewritten again entirely from scratch when we moved to the 0.2.x branch.
Jerl said:
lozertuser only develops Gelbooru's layout; the actual site software is developed by Geltas.
Thanks for clearing that up (escpecially the 0.2.x branch rewrite part). ;D
The developer named Geltas was being mentioned here (full story included).
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Setsunator said:
Oh come on. The higher standard is based on what the Danboru staff deems good. A lot of crap still exist on Danbooru while a lot of high quality images get deleted because nobody on the staff likes them. The quality isn't necessarily higher on Danbooru, it is just more controlled and based more on what the people "hired" happen to like.
Digging for contention? I didn't say we filtered all of it, I said we filtered more of it.
Gelbooru is for the people who take umbrage in either direction ("too much crap gets through" or "not enough good is kept") with having a staff that filters content and want to see basically everything. Danbooru is for people that want a more restricted, filtered experience that whittles out more (not all) of the images someone looking for higher quality would skip. It's just two different methodologies; one's not inherently better than the other but I personally prefer Danbooru's.
Danbooru has a better and more coherent system for doing things. I had become to accustomed to Gelbooru's way of doing things and content control so when I started out here this was a bit of a shock but not anything hard to assimilate to. I had the view of Danbooru being snobbish and elitist because of content restrictions but I have come around to this sites view.
I can understand the appeal of Gelbooru to free users because it lacks search parameter restrictions and the banned content wall. However the trade off is Gelbooru is a lot less palatable for advertisers and it really doesn't have anything marketable to users to convince them to support the site monetarily. There is the Patreon but that just gets you a badge for the forum and other recognition, no exclusive feature.
I'm not really sure what the aim of Gelbooru is anymore or if there is a clear road-map for the future. The features here seem so much more rich, including the tag typing suggestions and artist recognition/translated tags from URL upload. And the content restrictions seem to work; just search -user:danbooru on Gelbooru and compare for yourself.
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I don't have world enough or time to regularly follow more than one image board, and this does me fine.
However, considering the internet is being taken over by corporate crap, and discouragement of nonconforming views, it is best there should be a plethora of independent sites, even if they copy each other [ concerning oneself about tag-scraping is pointless: it's not as if we produce only our own self-made content ]: that way there's more for all.
Plus... there's safety in numbers. Being the only semi-porn anime site would be like holding up a target for the puritan censors.
Gelbooru describes itself as a 'Hentai and Anime Imageboard', with a seeming focus on adult content. Danbooru describes itself as a 'high quality anime art and doujinshi repository' with a seeming focus on quality.
We don't like people proclaiming their lust for the artwork in crude ways here, whereas it seems par for the course at Gelbooru. The difference in foci for both sites is fairly apparent in the way most users comport themselves.
