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If flagging single tag feels wrong, then how we should feel about notorious posting of single tag especially by contributors+ who can literally flood danbooru with their favourite tag without real chances of control by others?
If you're implying what you seem to be implying, I agree. Distribute the load and all that so there's fewer points of "failure".
richie said:
then how we should feel about notorious posting of single tag
To me, contributing excessively to something you like doesn't feel wrong but fighting excessively something you dislike does feel wrong. It's a kind of "live and let live" mentality that I have for a long time thought to be deeply rooted in many danbooru policies - after all, you get negatives and ultimately a ban for streams of negative comments, while if they are positive in the worst case you'd get a dm telling you not to spam (I think... haven't done either of those things so I don't really know)
So, in the end, the resolution would be to impose a rule against flagging multiple posts of single tags. Seems hard to enforce and counter-intuitive to the core of the flagging system to me.
I'm of the opinion that if a piece doesn't belong, flag it. Don't care if it's a vast swathe of a specific character, copyright, or artist. Regardless of what you feel about the person doing the flagging, the result for the site is a better-reviewed set of art which, unless the moderation team as a whole fails to meet your standards, seems like only a good thing so long as it doesn't reach flood-level.
wareya said:
If you're implying what you seem to be implying, I agree. Distribute the load and all that so there's fewer points of "failure".
Just wanted to point out (once again) how asymmetric and thus unfair is current policy of accepting pictures to danbooru.
Contributors+ have almost unrestricted freedom to post what they want, regardless of quality, and even if they flood the site with their single (beloved) tag then nothing can be done about it. It's not even seen as a problem at all - as I do believe reasoning written by Borrator above is more or less widely accepted.
On the other hand, if miracle happens and someone will be dedicated enough to make an effort to legitimately moderate bad quality posts of a single tag, then not only he doesn't get deserved praise for his hard work but instantly becomes marked as suspicious person, enough to make one of mods to raise an alarm on the forum.
BTW all this situation of course doesn't concern simple users whose posts must go through the queue first. And beware if this is a flood of one tag - as mods love to show you your place by making it a matter of honour to be picky, to the point where you'd have to beg on your knees to accept something they find barely worse from whole, already accepted, set.
On the other hand, if miracle happens and someone will be dedicated enough to make an effort to legitimately moderate bad quality posts of a single tag, then not only he doesn't get deserved praise for his hard work but instantly becomes marked as suspicious person, enough to make one of mods to raise an alarm on the forum.
I honestly believe they should. It's just another kind of lone wolf behavior with all the personal baggage that applies to the "spammy" contributors. Doing the same thing but on the opposite pole doesn't make someone better, and danbooru subjectively should, if anything, err towards having something rather than nor having it, in my opinion. So I would prefer having spammy contributors and not having spammy flaggers to the opposite situation. However I would still prefer to not have either.
Does it somehow risk making danbooru too slow if you get rid of spammy contributors? Well, there are other ways to deal with the "problem". It's not black and white. Just like I'm okay with spammy flagging as long as I happen agree with every single flag (despite not liking the idea), I'm just as okay with spammy contributors as long as they don't get weird.
If something is being "spammed" by a contributor, it should be much easier to have a short conversation about it and have a couple people chip in. That way it's much less likely for other people on the site chipping in to reason about it to become toxic, and it's much less likely for one person's personal taste to affect the way in which they go after the "spammy" uploads.
In any case, this is turning into a different topic, and it's quite the bikeshed, so I'll stop posting.
richie said:
regardless of quality
If someone uploads lots of badly drawn pictures, feel free to flag them. Since it's just frontpage flagging and not an archive dig, even if they are bundled up under a common flag, I don't think any moderator or janitor or any kind of user will feel the need to bring it up as a problem.
richie said:
Hahahahahah
Just like these of himuro above?
You seem to have skipped one part:
Borrator said:
Since it's just frontpage flagging and not an archive dig
The issue here lay less with the fact that "bad" pictures have been flagged and deleted, and more that someone is personally attacking a single artist, going back several months or years just to have old work deleted. While it's nice that someone is cleaning up, it's notable that it's a single artist.
Ai-to-Yukai said:
The issue here lay less with the fact that "bad" pictures have been flagged and deleted, and more that someone is personally attacking a single artist, going back several months or years just to have old work deleted.
Not to be obtuse, but how is this a problem?
ShadowbladeEdge said:
Not to be obtuse, but how is this a problem?
As long as it's low-quality art that's getting deleted, there is no problem. I'd rather trawl through poorly drawn and bad anatomy for posts to flag than through any one artist's work, but the job is getting done either way.
tapnek said:
This remimds me. There was a time when nearly all of rifyu's negative scoring posts were flagged by 葉月 for two reasons: unfunny and poor art. They were all reapproved by albert himself.
There is one rather major difference between this and Hazuki's action at the time. Hazuki didn't flag.
"If someone flags lots of good pictures, feel free to re-accept them"
Reality isn't as simple as a short, sweet, general case. Everything from real life to not wanting to stepp on other peoples' toes on the internet can keep people from responding to something like most of an artist's posts being tagged with reapproving the good ones. The best realistic case is to have a conversation about it when something like this happens, and as you can clearly see, that's not working well either. You are assuming that your idealist scenario would work, when the real one clearly isn't.
