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Bulk flagging request - Nameo (judgemasterkou)

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Nameo (judgemasterkou) has, simply put, an art style not suitable for Danbooru. While I've flagged a few of these as they popped up, and the flags were carried through, I've stopped and taken a look at everything under this name, and it's simply the case that none of this artist's work can pass for quality, and there's more of it being uploaded than I can flag every day.

Example works:
post #2006090
post #2006043 (note the hands)
post #2013782
post #1993864 (example of how sloppy linework is)
post #1963223
post #1948196
post #1930516

etc.

At first I wanted to refute you because I remember some of his posts having passable quality, but now that I look at it you're right. Everything under his name with very few exceptions has rough poor linework along with bad hands/feets scattered about.

The problem is that many other artists on the site have the same problem with the bulk of their works and because of that rising quantity it's an issue that's started to become tolerated. Between that and others being biased in favor of it's subject matter, it's going to be an uphill battle to have anything done about this.

I like their style of drawing faces (though they tend to have button/shadow noses), but other than that everything's pretty shabby and simple.

Hoobajoob said:

Between that and others being biased in favor of it's subject matter, it's going to be an uphill battle to have anything done about this.

That's for sure.

I'm always a bit wary of bulk flagging. If the flagger doesn't have time to look through every post and flag them, the mods don't either. They have other stuff to worry about. There are more of them, sure, but they're just as inclined to ignore everything that comes when a whole slew of pictures come through the flag queue (that how it works? I'm not sure) and not give posts the time of day they may deserve.

It seems like an lazy, easy way to game the system so to speak and have an artist deleted en masse if someone just plain doesn't like them, or even if someone has issue with a particular uploader (and Kikimaru who seems to upload a lot of his art has been through this before). Though I'm not saying this is your motivation. There are problems with some/many of his pictures, but they were approved, in fairness. In that case, I think the onus should be on the flagger to look for those that are really and truly bad and should be given a second look. But we should absolutely restrain ourselves from pushing the detonation button because I think that anything that can be saved, should, or at the least be given a fair shot. And yes, I know they can be appealed, but I think that can have its own problems. There's some bias that comes with that red border or seeing that x picture has been deleted x times.

For the record I should admit I like plenty of his art and subject matter. "Sketchy"ness, messy lines, etc. aren't a problem for me. It may not be everyone's taste, but it can be a style and there's plenty of sketch-style drawings on the site. My actual biggest problem with him is his sometimes absurd proportions. For example, like in his Raiko pictures nameo_(judgemasterkou) horikawa_raiko.

If we want to do this, it needs to start with the worst offenders, like the above. Go from there, flag more if you wish, and make it clear not everything of his needs to be here. But it shouldn't be because we didn't do our due diligence.

But I simply think bulk flagging in general is a poor way to deal with problems like this.

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NWSiaCB said:

Nameo (judgemasterkou) has, simply put, an art style not suitable for Danbooru. While I've flagged a few of these as they popped up, and the flags were carried through, I've stopped and taken a look at everything under this name, and it's simply the case that none of this artist's work can pass for quality, and there's more of it being uploaded than I can flag every day.

Example works:
post #2006090
post #2006043 (note the hands)
post #2013782
post #1993864 (example of how sloppy linework is)
post #1963223
post #1948196
post #1930516

etc.

You say it's "too sketchy", I find great dynamism and interesting use of colouring in even those linked examples.

I would say that only the last of the linked images has dynamism, and even then, it lacks direction. From the image itself, you can't tell which way the action is moving between the floating breasts and conflicting movements of the hair and cloth. The Blaziken image is a start, but at the moment it's just a single leg raised with no changes to the abdomen or even differences in shoulder height when the body is tilted.

UTW said:

I'm always a bit wary of bulk flagging. If the flagger doesn't have time to look through every post and flag them, the mods don't either.

If I could flag them all, I would simply do so, but I have a flagging limit.

The willfully careless can upload these faster than I am allowed to flag them, due to the way the system works.

UTW said:

For the record I should admit I like plenty of his art and subject matter. "Sketchy"ness, messy lines, etc. aren't a problem for me. It may not be everyone's taste, but it can be a style and there's plenty of sketch-style drawings on the site. My actual biggest problem with him is his sometimes absurd proportions. For example, like in his Raiko pictures nameo_(judgemasterkou) horikawa_raiko.

If we want to do this, it needs to start with the worst offenders, like the above. Go from there, flag more if you wish, and make it clear not everything of his needs to be here. But it shouldn't be because we didn't do our due diligence.

Honestly, the worst offenders I see when I look through this artist's work are the artist's original characters, ojou_(nameo) and glasses_girl_(nameo). Ojou in particular showcases all the problems of serpant-sword fingers and impossible clothes/floating breasts/grotesque proportions and never shows off any of this supposed dynamic action shot stuff that justifies the lack of ability to stay on-model.

OOZ662 said:

I like their style of drawing faces (though they tend to have button/shadow noses), but other than that everything's pretty shabby and simple.

This, more than anything, convinces me it's nothing but laziness. (Well, that and the fact that that artist constantly colors without care for the lines, even in instances when the lines actually drawn well enough to show a clear outline. See the hair flower in post #2006090 again.)

The hands, especially, look like more robotic versions of Seaport Hime's claw hands, and that's not style, it's simple lack of talent.

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