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Krenznoch said:

I hope it doesnt get bad to the point that the newer gens get their soul crushed and sucked out of them...

Nah. New gens will just use hololive to get experience and popularity that once things go out of hand, they are free to ditch it and become an indie vtuber or something.

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    cd_young said:

    Cover's shareholders have nearly no control or imput in the company. Since it didn't go 100% public trade
    Remember the incident of one shareholder suggesting they stop paying the talents, a-la Nijisanji, and Yagoo famously shouting that person down?

    Yup. How quick they forget.

    Prolly an internal fuck-up, if that. Unlike the other company, they'll learn and adapt. Just remember the Holo Crisis Mantra, "In Fubuki We Trust." As long as she remains a part of the company, we should have nothing to worry about.

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    Hthy said:

    Considering the whole Selene/dokibird fuck up and how easily she was able to pivot to indie streaming and I'm inclined to heavily disagree on the replacability of talents. Internet fame is primarily driven by individual personality, or at least percieved personality. There's a performance aspect to it that's easily replaceable, like in sports or performance arts (like traditional idols/pop singers here in the west), but that's not the main draw typically.

    See, you're thinking like an average joe, and not an executive. From our place on the ground, you can see the how x-factors like personality make a talent unique and irreplaceable, how no one can serve their niche in quite the same way.

    Executives can't, they're too high up the chain of command to see those things. You can't see what makes people crowd around a talent when you're looking down from so high they all blur together. All their information on our level comes in the form of numbers piped up to them by equations. Anything that can't be abstracted into a number, like those x-factors, can't fit in those equations, so the execs know nothing about their value. Even if you could somehow bring those factors up to them, the execs will always defer to the numbers because they don't lie, doing otherwise brings in risk and they will never take risks if they can avoid it. An executive who decides to ignore the numbers is a ship captain sailing into open seas without navigation; 5% they luck out and come back with treasure, 95% of the time they become seafood.

    An executive knows that, so they won't risk being part of the 95% unless they think there's something REALLY good in the 5% bracket, especially when they're captaining a ship worth billions of yen. So they break out the sextant, they follow the numbers, and they leave behind anyone who won't follow them. Talents are replaceable to them because they are abstracted to resources which can always be replaced or made up for, and all the things that say otherwise will be ignored because they can't fit into a number. And until the numbers say stop or people start banging their door to say stop, they will stay that course.

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    kolbjorn said:

    I'm sorry friend, I believe that unless doing it could harm the talent in some way we should stop the past life/other life taboo, specially in circunstancies like these

    I feel a major part of the appeal of vtubing, to people who would become vtubers, is the idea that they can reach a huge number of people while retaining anonymity. Thus they achieve something normally impossible, to simultaneously have fame and privacy. We should keep this in mind.

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    Arcana55 said:

    I feel a major part of the appeal of vtubing, to people who would become vtubers, is the idea that they can reach a huge number of people while retaining anonymity. Thus they achieve something normally impossible, to simultaneously have fame and privacy. We should keep this in mind.

    That's why I said "unless doing it could harm the talent" I'm not doxing Fauna, LemonLeaf was her Vtuber persona before joining Hololive

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    marcymal said:

    See, you're thinking like an average joe, and not an executive. From our place on the ground, you can see the how x-factors like personality make a talent unique and irreplaceable, how no one can serve their niche in quite the same way.

    Executives can't, they're too high up the chain of command to see those things. You can't see what makes people crowd around a talent when you're looking down from so high they all blur together. All their information on our level comes in the form of numbers piped up to them by equations. Anything that can't be abstracted into a number, like those x-factors, can't fit in those equations, so the execs know nothing about their value. Even if you could somehow bring those factors up to them, the execs will always defer to the numbers because they don't lie, doing otherwise brings in risk and they will never take risks if they can avoid it. An executive who decides to ignore the numbers is a ship captain sailing into open seas without navigation; 5% they luck out and come back with treasure, 95% of the time they become seafood.

    An executive knows that, so they won't risk being part of the 95% unless they think there's something REALLY good in the 5% bracket, especially when they're captaining a ship worth billions of yen. So they break out the sextant, they follow the numbers, and they leave behind anyone who won't follow them. Talents are replaceable to them because they are abstracted to resources which can always be replaced or made up for, and all the things that say otherwise will be ignored because they can't fit into a number. And until the numbers say stop or people start banging their door to say stop, they will stay that course.

    Unfortunately That's every major corporation. It's not always black and white as you describe but in the end revenue/profit and what direction in genreal they want the company to go will often change the course of the company.

    Tomorrow my place could decide to to make changes on how the company is ran, from drastic all the way down to minor changes. It could be something very simple that I personally don't agree with. It doesn't have to be life altering. But at that time I'll have the choice to stay or part ways for a different endeavor.

    Others have said it best, a "disagreement with management" is a very very broad statement and doesn't necessarily mean it must come with a negative connotation even though it's the first that comes to mind. I feel that's some of the worst things to come from this, are the assumptions of what caused this, when in all likelihood we'll never know.

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