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I watched a playthrough of Xenosaga one many years ago and I barely remember any of it. Could someone please remind me why all those Kirschwassers followed Albedo despite how horribly he treated them?

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    Monki said:

    I watched a playthrough of Xenosaga one many years ago and I barely remember any of it. Could someone please remind me why all those Kirschwassers followed Albedo despite how horribly he treated them?

    Stockholm Syndrome

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    Monki said:

    I watched a playthrough of Xenosaga one many years ago and I barely remember any of it. Could someone please remind me why all those Kirschwassers followed Albedo despite how horribly he treated them?

    I wrote about that on this site a few years ago.

    Long story short, Realians were created to serve humans. For 15 years, Albedo was stranded with the Kirschwassers in a pocket dimension. Albedo has an immortality complex, that is he's afraid of outliving others and being left alone. And although Realians are artificial and generally sturdier than humans, they still need maintenance and other services performed on them to remain functioning. After a few years, they started to malfunction, and there was nothing he could do for them.

    Even as they slowly fell apart though, they still wanted to serve him. In his eyes, he was surrounded by an encroaching death that would consume everyone but himself. To cope, he took to abusing them in...various ways, but again, they exist to serve humans. The way in which they serve doesn't matter.

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    NegativeSoul said:

    This panel feels like something Nihei Tsutomu would draw.

    Hell, Signalis itself seems like something he'd dream up.

    I'm glad others noticed. I have yet to play it but Signalis looks like Blame reimagined as a videogame, with a Safeguard protagonist (it's why I bought this game in the first place).

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    Hereinafter said:

    Perhaps he should have read and understood the X (formerly Twitter) terms of service. Not engaging in self-sabotaging provocateur behavior would also have been smart. I like orenji's art, generally, but this whole affair was very dumb. Anglophone people in general need to understand that this kind of behavior, namely trying to participate in meme culture via phrases like cunny, child gf et al. will not work in your favor if your happen to enjoy any kind risque subculture art. What you'll accomplish is drawing unnecessary attention and getting niche spaces stomped out, exactly like what has happened to booth, fanbox, pixiv request and is currently happening to getchu and dlsite. Twitter (subsequently X) accounts of loli artist have been getting actively nuked since 2018, how about developing some sense of self-preservation? Do you never stop to think why eastern creators (ie, the ones creating the good works) do not behave this way?

    As a tangent - I posit that the broader problem here is that the modern algorithm driven Internet and "meme culture" has stunted people's minds and they do not understand what a subculture even is or how it is supposed to function. Everything is meant to be a big spectacle to appeal to the broadest possible contingent of loud retards in an endlessly brutal regression to the mean. No space can exist separated from other spaces and serve a specific set of needs to a specific group of people, and even if it manages to emerge the algorithm with inevitably drag it out and try to make a spectacle out of it. Creators end up participating in it because no one wants to dwell in obscurity and the notion that overexposure is damaging only becomes apparent after the damage is done. Is there even a way for a niche to safely exist anymore? Only temporarily, until it has to contend with meme culture. When it reaches that point, talking about the damage done to spaces like pixiv and dlsite or how creators are getting censored is futile because the people brought in never cared about it on a primary, direct way, but only on the meme level (socialization, not works or creators).

    This, so much this.

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    Blank_User said:

    The same points have been made about fictional violence in media, but most people don't really seem to care anymore and gamers have always defended violence's place in video games, so it's still hypocritical to argue against loli/shota art and not argue against fictional violence based only on those points. The only difference is that the former is more geared toward getting people off, which makes some people more willing to cross the line from "This is gross and I won't look at it" to "You're gross for liking it and I will judge you" or even "They're gross for promoting it and should be shut down/arrested." The above complaint of "literal pedofiles (sic)" is a good example of this.

    You can argue against both, nothing stopping anyone.

    But I'd say that, although violence is ugly, it is also necessary. How else do you eat at the very least? It's dog eat dog, regardless of whether or however media such as video games glorify the idea or not. But how is being into children (or representations thereof) necessary?

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    blindVigil said:

    The argument has always been playing violent videogames makes you violent in real life. "If you play violent videogames, then you will become more violent, or have violent fantasies, or even have plans to commit violence."

    Thing is, that isn't "CitrusC"'s argument. Its that media legitimizes and perpetuates ideas, and thus violent media perpetuates the notion of violence. Doesn't matter whether anyone folloes through with these ideas or not, the fact these notions are being enshrined and spread to begin with is problematic.

    Same for loli/shota material, why are children, or representations of such, being sexualized? And why are some people interested in that?

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    charliediep0 said:

    Thing is, that isn't "CitrusC"'s argument. Its that media legitimizes and perpetuates ideas, and thus violent media perpetuates the notion of violence. Doesn't matter whether anyone folloes through with these ideas or not, the fact these notions are being enshrined and spread to begin with is problematic.

    Same for loli/shota material, why are children, or representations of such, being sexualized? And why are some people interested in that?

    Stop necrobumping a dead discussion.

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