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Has there ever been a case of an ex-Hololive member's "new identity" collaborating with a current Hololive member? I can see where doing that would be troublesome in the context of how VTuber identities are usually treated, but I feel like Hololive is about to be (or has already gotten) caught in a vicious cycle where the more people leave Hololive, the more motivation there is to leave Hololive just so that you can continue to publicly associate with people you've probably formed an incredibly close bond with. As ex-Hololive talents become increasingly common in the wider VTubing world, Hololive will feel more and more like a walled garden where you'll have a hard time making any connections other than with other Hololive members - because even if you start collabing with a non-Holo VTuber who's not ex-Holo, what happens when they have other friends who are, and now they have to make sure the streams don't cross when trying to set up larger collab events? Being a part of Hololive will feel more and more like a limitation rather than an opportunity, and more people will choose to leave Hololive because of that, resulting in even more ex-Holos and thus the problem getting even worse.

If COVER corp doesn't change their tune on past identities really soon, I fear that Hololive graduations are only going to get more and more frequent, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if Hololive more or less totally disbands by 2030.

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    XionGaTaosenai said:

    Has there ever been a case of an ex-Hololive member's "new identity" collaborating with a current Hololive member? I can see where doing that would be troublesome in the context of how VTuber identities are usually treated, but I feel like Hololive is about to be (or has already gotten) caught in a vicious cycle where the more people leave Hololive, the more motivation there is to leave Hololive just so that you can continue to publicly associate with people you've probably formed an incredibly close bond with. As ex-Hololive talents become increasingly common in the wider VTubing world, Hololive will feel more and more like a walled garden where you'll have a hard time making any connections other than with other Hololive members - because even if you start collabing with a non-Holo VTuber who's not ex-Holo, what happens when they have other friends who are, and now they have to make sure the streams don't cross when trying to set up larger collab events? Being a part of Hololive will feel more and more like a limitation rather than an opportunity, and more people will choose to leave Hololive because of that, resulting in even more ex-Holos and thus the problem getting even worse.

    If COVER corp doesn't change their tune on past identities really soon, I fear that Hololive graduations are only going to get more and more frequent, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if Hololive more or less totally disbands by 2030.

    No, but the vast majority of departures happened in the last 9 months. Previously, it was only Coco who remained an active streamer (that wasn't terminated).

    Edit- Now that I think of it, does KSon collab with anyone outside of the occasional one-offs?

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    blindVigil said:

    Every person that's recently left has cited disagreement with management and/or company direction. I know this is going to enter speculatory territory, but I think it's a very reasonable assumption that this is an issue with idol culture, and specifically the workload that comes with it, and how much time it takes away from the things they actually want to do.

    Someone on Twitter said "disagreements with managment" is Japanese corpo-speak, for when the company wants to take the pressure off the talent and put the blame on themselves. The company itself doesn't explain why or give context, because they don't want to look like they're making excuses. It seems noble and humble to Japanese fans, but it casts suspicion and doubt among non-Japanese fans when they use the same generic excuse over and over again.
    Just another major cultural difference, I guess.

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    And now Umisea went from 5 members to only 2.

    AyaReiko said:
    Part of me hopes Cover has EN5 and JP7 in the works. In the span of less than 9 months, they've lost (or losing) Ame, Fauna, Mumei, Gura, Aqua, Chloe, and Shion. Go back a little further and you can add Mel too.

    Mel doesn't count since it was a termination due to an accident, not her own decision.

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    I realize I’m probably gonna piss off a lot of people by saying this, but I agree with the artist. Hina is adorable, but she looks too young for me to be comfortable with some of the things that happen during the storyline. It’s also not fair to her to be stuck in a child’s body, so I would like it if a future chapter had her visit Saya for something to make her look her actual age and we got an alter form like Shun did.

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