Someone keeps setting Myon as a character tag

I disagree that it should be a non-character tag. There have been cases where it has been shown independent without her physical body present and it isn't rare for it to act as an independent character even when she is present.

Aliasing to konpaku_youmu_(ghost) then. Whether it's character or not, we can decide after the alias. That's easy enough to change.

Ugh, so fast.

The alias was bound to happen sooner or later, but, unwarranted hostily aside, it's surprising a reply like Slash's one ("where the fuck went our en→jp policy?") took that long to appear.

I can support the alias but because it's fanon anyway I don't think said policy needs to apply, all the more when the myon tag is already so meaningful and convenient at the same time.
And it makes me wonder if the same thing is ever going to happen with pyonta now.

For one I'd have preferred konpaku_youmu_(ghost_half) though. Less ambiguous.

NWF_Renim said:
I disagree that it should be a non-character tag. There have been cases where it has been shown independent without her physical body present and it isn't rare for it to act as an independent character even when she is present.

Okay, yeah. Whenever I encounter tags like this I have this vain hope of assigning tag status so as to make chartags:N searches return what people would expect, but that is pretty well buggered anyway and this is different from the transformation-type tags, so character tag is probably the right choice.

Cyberia-Mix said:
And it makes me wonder if the same thing is ever going to happen with pyonta now.

The English and Japanese usages align with this one, at least, but it's still an unofficial nickname, so I'm not averse. moriya_suwako_(hat), anyone?

glasnost said:
Okay, yeah. Whenever I encounter tags like this I have this vain hope of assigning tag status so as to make chartags:N searches return what people would expect, but that is pretty well buggered anyway and this is different from the transformation-type tags, so character tag is probably the right choice.

Agree with making it a chartag.

Well, Pyonta is slightly more understandable but basically the same. In that case, it's one artist's throwaway joke that danbooru seems to have decided on its own to apply to five hundred pictures.

The pyonta tag on pixiv basically has the three original pictures, one or two shoutouts, and then a big pile by some horrible western artist who probably got confused by the danbooru usage and started trying to use it on pixiv:

http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=%E3%81%B4%E3%82%87%E3%82%93%E5%A4%AA

At least that one isn't stomping on another accepted usage, though.

myon -konpaku_youmu amounts to only 26 images (and you need to read the artist's comment to know it's really Youmu's ghost half) and the majority have it without any emotions (I'd guess around 95%), so 'general' would in most cases be more useful than 'character'. I'd treat it similar to named objects which are sometimes personified.
(don't forget adding the solo tag)

Pyonta, on the other hand, was made for only those "5%" with emotions. We can't find those 5% for the ghosts either way.

S1eth said:
(don't forget adding the solo tag)

I imagine this should in some part inform the decision to make myon, or whatever, a character tag. So should a picture with just Youmu and myon be tagged solo?

Cyberia-Mix said: Ugh, so fast.

Thread is over two weeks old. Once I found out Myon = Ghost was a misconception created within overseas (meaning non-Japanese) fandom, the matter was very plainly and simply settled, so further debate wasn't needed.

Meant that about the new name which was settled within 2 hours.

ShadowbladeEdge said:
So should a picture with just Youmu and myon be tagged solo?

Any picture containing only one copyrighted or original character.

Absolutely, unless Youmu's ghost becomes another girl (post #889094). In that case, it's 2girls and dual_persona or clone.

One more vote in favor of making the ghost's tag character type. Even if it is in some sense the same entity as Youmu the girl, it appears on its own and does appear to behave independently as a separate character would.

No, making every solo image of Youmu have two character tags just doesn't make any sense.

Yes, it has occasional spurts of independence; this is absolutely worth tagging. But you're stepping all over your own dick if you immediately pollute it with thousands of irrelevant posts. As before, I'll be advocating for a tag that actually captures the relevant information people care about: her ghost half being more than a nondescript floating white blob. If that ends up being a character tag, fine, I don't really care at this point.

Note for the record that we have precedent for this sort of tactic with Dizzy: Undine and Necro are only tagged when they visibly manifest despite being literally attached to her body. I have yet to see how this current situation is different.

That would be because in Youmu's case we're still lacking a tag name or pool to tell expressive and inexpressive myon apart.

You can't tag the latter as hitodama because it's common for Youmu's ghost half and hitodamas to get mixed together in the same image.
Dizzy doesn't have this problem with the wings tag.

> And I second what S1eth said.
I would myself prefer having myon, ex-keine, chen_(cat) and so on back to being character tags, but until we have a more reliable way to count characters (forum #58503), keeping chartags:X working should remain the priority, because it's so goddamn useful.

Getting chartags:X to work the way everyone wants it to will never happen, for one thing it seems no two people agree on exactly the same definition. Setting policy (and breaking the functionality of other features) is not worth it just to make the chartags metatag work slightly better.

Think of it this way, if Youmu's ghost-half was an animal side-kick rather than somehow a discontinuous and independently behaving metaphysical part of another character, we wouldn't be discussing this at all, it would obviously get its own tag, categorized as a character, and all the images where the character and her side-kick appeared would end up with chartags:2...

Without canonical background knowledge, Youmu and her ghost-half are visually identical to this scenario. We have always had a policy of giving visually evident traits priority over canonical meta-knowledge, I don't see why this would be any different.

DschingisKhan said: No, making every solo image of Youmu have two character tags just doesn't make any sense.

I don't think this is a major concern. One of the main reasons the solo tag exists at all is as a workaround for the necessary cases where we'll have multiple character tags. If we could always have one character have one char: tag every time without exception, the only conceivable use for solo would be to tag original art.

So, don't be concerned about the idea of "chartags:2+ solo" images. It's not a problem. Although it is part of why I proposed forum #58503, so see if there was perhaps a better way to count characters that didn't rely on tags. Tags need to be flexible, in ways that make them unsuited to character counting in some cases.

It looks there are still some myon posts remaining, e.g. post #864367, post #856686, post #833455.

I'm not sure why, but it looks like the alias didn't take for posts with a parent.

jxh2154, could you try running a fix?

Done. If problems persist I'll delete and resubmit the alias.