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スラッシュ said:
Repeating this suggestion:There's actually a potential solution I came up with a while ago but forgot to actually discuss, that would allow each moderator to look at the images in more detail and (probably) make the queue move faster.
I'm not opposed to at least trying this out for a week or two but I imagine it'd just aggravate the complaints about janitors missing posts to approve. I'm not convinced it would motivate existing janitors to moderate more often either.
albert said:
It would be nice to automate the process of janitor nomination so we don't have to go through this phase every six months. Awhile ago I had suggested automating the janitor test. Maybe when a user hits N favorites after X weeks they'll be prompted with an invitation. Passing the test would put them into a test janitor role. New janitor invitations would be sent out every month based on the number of active janitors, inactive ones would be automatically demoted.
I'd rather see something like 'automatic invitation when a user hits N approved posts with a ratio above X', but generally speaking that sounds like a good plan.
I have to disagree about a purely automated system. Maybe a system where current janitors/mods who regularly approve n posts per week can nominate new test janitors through a form which prompts the nominee if they would like to become a janitor.
A purely automated system will give us people we may or may not actually trust, whereas a system with nominations will at least give a level control.
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That would actually probably work even better.
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A suggestion, if I may, for that automation idea: instead of having janitor-invites sent out automatically, have it send lists of candidates to the moderation staff, and allow them to check the presented candidates for desirability before sending them invitations manually.
A metric such as glasnost suggested would be an improvement as well.
albert said:
I'm not opposed to at least trying this out for a week or two but I imagine it'd just aggravate the complaints about janitors missing posts to approve. I'm not convinced it would motivate existing janitors to moderate more often either.
It's basically like the police not sending 100 people to patrol the entire city, but instead split the city into 5 parts and have 20 people patrol each area.
What I hope to gain from this more than anything is that people look at more images, more closely. The issue of people judging images by the thumbnail, I think that is a real one.
I'd hope there would be an option to allow the janitor to see the whole queue if that was implemented. It'd actually annoy me a lot if I'm forced to only view a small subset of the queue, and had to search status:pending to see other posts.
Additionally that system would also have the unique problem of if by coincidence the janitors assigned one segment of the queue weren't active for 3 days you'd have a whole segment of queue completely missed.
Dividing up the queue would only be an option if you recruited more janitors, as to insure no division of the queue ends up under-reviewed. Even If there was an option to allow janitors to view the entire queue, I'm sure that what would happen is that we'd find people would tend to stick to what they're assigned more often than not, thus making this option not viable with our current numbers.
Edit: An afterthought, but if you do divide up the queue, the best method would be to have overlap between groups. Overlap to the extent that no one group covers one image. For example with 5 groups and 100 images, group one covers say images 1-40, group 2 covers 21-60, group 3 41-80, group 4 61-100, and group 5 81-100 & 1-20. Just an example of the rough idea for overlap.
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I don't know if delegating posts to individual janitor(s) is a good idea, but I'd definitely be in support of experimenting with segmented views.
The queue would probably be easier to grok that way, as the task of having to mow through a single, giant list of posts can be a little daunting sometimes. Especially so, after you've been away or haven't had time to fully keep up with it.
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NWF_Renim said:
Additionally that system would also have the unique problem of if by coincidence the janitors assigned one segment of the queue weren't active for 3 days you'd have a whole segment of queue completely missed.
Someone mentioned that when the images got to the final day they would be moved into everyone's queue (or something to that effect). This would help avoid stuff from being missed.
Also if you looked at a janitors tag subscriptions, favorites, black list and activity, you could better balance the queues. This would avoid any single queue having as set of images blacklisted by the who mod team.
This is in addition to adding the overlap you suggested of course.
Action_Kamen said:
If the problem is interest in pictures wouldn't diversifying the janitors help as well?
That's easier said than done. Just looking at someone's favorites or uploads doesn't necessarily give you an accurate picture of all their likes and dislikes. Even if you ask them directly, they'll still have biases that they may not even be consciously aware of. Not to mention that if you're asking someone what they don't like and won't approve as part of the janitor application, they're naturally going to say they're more open-minded than they really are to increase their odds of becoming a janitor.
evazion said:
That's easier said than done. Just looking at someone's favorites or uploads doesn't necessarily give you an accurate picture of all their likes and dislikes. Even if you ask them directly, they'll still have biases that they may not even be consciously aware of. Not to mention that if you're asking someone what they don't like and won't approve as part of the janitor application, they're naturally going to say they're more open-minded than they really are to increase their odds of becoming a janitor.
True but it is a starting point and you would ideally track what they approve vs what they say their interests are.
If someone says sure chicks with dicks is my thing but never approve anything, you know they either need to have their queue "adjusted" or be removed.
Lots of posts since I last checked so ignore me if I'm repeating stuff:
Bellamy said: Something I've been wondering about - are janitors allowed to use tag blacklisting?
They can. I don't, personally, because if I'm moving tags or doing other mod-like things, I need to make sure I account for everything.
But think of it this way: If someone dislikes something so much they blacklist it, why would they approve it? So I don't think blacklisting itself is a big concern.
I thought content doesn't matter as long as pictures are well drawn
Well drawn isn't as quite objective as you make it sound, though. Honestly, I'm glad that the current approval team is to some degree hesitant about overly explicit images. Keeps a lot of excess in check.
I think what's missed is that approvers aren't chosen because they have an art history degree or art critiquing experience. Tastes definite play into it and the moderation system is not and was never supposed to be particularly "objective" from a taste standpoint. From the start we've been told, rightly, "only approve images you personally like".
So if that means danbooru isn't a good place for your particular fetish, so be it. Danbooru is not and can not be everything for everyone. That was never the intention. There would be no detailed TOS if that were the case.
Besides... look at the deletion appeal thread. Most of what's getting passed over and appealed is not explicit. Or fetishistic. It's primarily rating:s art, and rating:s makes up the majority of this site to begin with.
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