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Proposal for an "Alice allusion"-type tag

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Ylimegirl

Continued from topic #31190, more specifically forum #344084 / forum #344085.

Basically the concept is a gentag for posts focusing on characters clearly inspired by Alice from Alice in Wonderland. (Placeholder tagname stolen from TV Tropes.) Not all posts with this concept would have the Alice in Wonderland copytag, and not all characters would necessarily be from established copytags of their own. While the TV tropes article is generally more broad in scope to any references to Wonderland, I think we could focus in on the specific design archetype. The smattering of posts listed in forum #344084 give a good starting point, including established Alice-types (most of whom are named Alice).

In no particular order, off the top of my head there's

There are definitely others, but I'm a little hungry and bad at research. Generally, the common traits are

  • Younger girl
  • Longer blonde hair
  • Short blue dress
  • Apron
  • Bows
  • Lolita fashion
  • Hairband/hair bow (sometimes Rabbit themed)

Not hard and fast rules, obviously, but the influence the Disney version of Alice has had on other designs is very clear. I think this hypothetical tag should focus in on posts where it's clear the character is a reference to the idea of Alice, so not all posts featuring the characters listed above would necessarily count (post #6397298 is just a blonde girl in a bikini for example, and while post #9000822 is a cosplay Miku's just too Miku to be an Alice). It's maybe a bit of a broad and subjective tag, but we have other broad and somewhat subjective tags for other "archetype"-ish designs a la gyaru. And for probably obvious reasons an umbrella search for something like alice_* wouldn't work because not every character named Alice is an Alice-type (and not all Alice-types are necessarily named Alice).

As for tag names, we could stick with Alice allusion or something like Alice archetype or something else, either alliterative or not.

Please feel free to chime in

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Knowledge Seeker

Ooh, this trope! Glad to see discussion about creating a tag for the aesthetic. Hell, I even once came into topic #12251 asking about it (forum #255156) at some point lol. The post I brought up there, post #6750605, is a post I think would be a good example of the sort of thing I'd imagine going into that tag: it has a "vibe" that wouldn't look out of place in Alice in Wonderland, but is not an overt enough reference for one to tag as Alice in Wonderland proper.

I feel like your general assertion of the aesthetic is pretty accurate, as it's a vibe I see in quite a bit of the artwork I upload (especially at the time of said post). The main problem I see with the idea of this tag at the outset is making sure it's not just a blatant reference, and merely the sort of...well, wonderous vibe of the story. Not sure how to counter this problem, but I'm sure it's perfectly doable.

I'm...Actually not very well, emotionally, right now, so I lack the brainpower needed to go looking for more examples (as they are, of course, pretty hard to search for, as is indicative of a tag yet-to-be), but I think this is a good step in the right direction. As for the name, I think the TV Tropes name of Alice Allusion is enough to the point to work as a tag name for this aesthetic (and its catchy!).

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Trouble Windows

Don't have anything to add, just wanted to put in my +1 for this concept. In general I'm all for more tags relating to common visual/design/fashion tropes and styles – they're pretty underrepresented at the moment.

Off-topic: Gyaru isn't a great comparison since it's a real life subculture and fashion style. (I've actually been trying to garden it and add some more granularity when it comes to the subcategories because of how broad it is!)

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Witch-Hunter-Siegfried

Ylimegirl said:

Continued from topic #31190, more specifically forum #344084 / forum #344085.

Basically the concept is a gentag for posts focusing on characters clearly inspired by Alice from Alice in Wonderland. (Placeholder tagname stolen from TV Tropes.) Not all posts with this concept would have the Alice in Wonderland copytag, and not all characters would necessarily be from established copytags of their own. While the TV tropes article is generally more broad in scope to any references to Wonderland, I think we could focus in on the specific design archetype. The smattering of posts listed in forum #344084 give a good starting point, including established Alice-types (most of whom are named Alice).

In no particular order, off the top of my head there's

There are definitely others, but I'm a little hungry and bad at research. Generally, the common traits are

  • Younger girl
  • Longer blonde hair
  • Short blue dress
  • Apron
  • Bows
  • Lolita fashion
  • Hairband/hair bow (sometimes Rabbit themed)

Not hard and fast rules, obviously, but the influence the Disney version of Alice has had on other designs is very clear. I think this hypothetical tag should focus in on posts where it's clear the character is a reference to the idea of Alice, so not all posts featuring the characters listed above would necessarily count (post #6397298 is just a blonde girl in a bikini for example, and while post #9000822 is a cosplay Miku's just too Miku to be an Alice). It's maybe a bit of a broad and subjective tag, but we have other broad and somewhat subjective tags for other "archetype"-ish designs a la gyaru. And for probably obvious reasons an umbrella search for something like alice_* wouldn't work because not every character named Alice is an Alice-type (and not all Alice-types are necessarily named Alice).

As for tag names, we could stick with Alice allusion or something like Alice archetype or something else, either alliterative or not.

Please feel free to chime in

Nursery_Rhyme_(Fate) AKA EXTRA Caster as well they're both Alice (she even summons the Jabberwockey).

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Ylimegirl

Witch-Hunter-Siegfried said:

Nursery_Rhyme_(Fate) AKA EXTRA Caster as well they're both Alice (she even summons the Jabberwockey).

I don't think Nursery Rhyme tends to count quite as much, especially when paired alongside her master Alice herself, mostly just due to the fact that she has a black/purple colorscheme instead of a blue/white one. It would probably depend on the image, though--her final ascension, for example, would perhaps be more clearly an Alice allusion, as she gains some mushroomy motifs on her dress and the like. (Doesn't hurt that in that illustration she's also holding the literal book itself, lol.)

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Knowledge Seeker

Started pulling favgroup #42459 together after doing some more thought. I think the goal here we want is to make it easy to search for not just the asthetics, but group all these Alice copyrights together (hence why I included the OG posts that kicked this thread off). It's nowhere near my threshold for an attempt at creating the tag, but is this what we want?

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TheGamingRodent

Ylimegirl said:

Continued from topic #31190, more specifically forum #344084 / forum #344085.

Basically the concept is a gentag for posts focusing on characters clearly inspired by Alice from Alice in Wonderland. (Placeholder tagname stolen from TV Tropes.) Not all posts with this concept would have the Alice in Wonderland copytag, and not all characters would necessarily be from established copytags of their own. While the TV tropes article is generally more broad in scope to any references to Wonderland, I think we could focus in on the specific design archetype. The smattering of posts listed in forum #344084 give a good starting point, including established Alice-types (most of whom are named Alice).

In no particular order, off the top of my head there's

There are definitely others, but I'm a little hungry and bad at research. Generally, the common traits are

  • Younger girl
  • Longer blonde hair
  • Short blue dress
  • Apron
  • Bows
  • Lolita fashion
  • Hairband/hair bow (sometimes Rabbit themed)

Not hard and fast rules, obviously, but the influence the Disney version of Alice has had on other designs is very clear. I think this hypothetical tag should focus in on posts where it's clear the character is a reference to the idea of Alice, so not all posts featuring the characters listed above would necessarily count (post #6397298 is just a blonde girl in a bikini for example, and while post #9000822 is a cosplay Miku's just too Miku to be an Alice). It's maybe a bit of a broad and subjective tag, but we have other broad and somewhat subjective tags for other "archetype"-ish designs a la gyaru. And for probably obvious reasons an umbrella search for something like alice_* wouldn't work because not every character named Alice is an Alice-type (and not all Alice-types are necessarily named Alice).

As for tag names, we could stick with Alice allusion or something like Alice archetype or something else, either alliterative or not.

Please feel free to chime in

Alice is def a unique situation, given her many incarnations, also should we count Nero Alice? Her design (and abilities) are inspired by Alice as well

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