Colored scale implications

AngryZapdos said:

Marcille's hair is a poor comparison.

Okay, but I can grant that and still offer other, potentially even better examples. Does post #8639824 depict an arm tattoo, a skull tattoo, or is it a skull tattoo located on the arm, and thus both? Or consider all of the torn clothes tags, where there's almost always going to be at least 1-2 other tags needed to describe the clothes. Indeed, that's almost a 1:1 comparison: Character A has blue coloration on their legs, tag as blue skin, Character B has blue coloration for their full-length bifurcated legwear, tag as blue pants, Character A has scale markings on their legs, tag as blue scales, Character B has tears in their legwear, tag as torn pants.

definitelysleeping said:

Okay, but I can grant that and still offer other, potentially even better examples. Does post #8639824 depict an arm tattoo, a skull tattoo, or is it a skull tattoo located on the arm, and thus both? Or consider all of the torn clothes tags, where there's almost always going to be at least 1-2 other tags needed to describe the clothes. Indeed, that's almost a 1:1 comparison: Character A has blue coloration on their legs, tag as blue skin, Character B has blue coloration for their full-length bifurcated legwear, tag as blue pants, Character A has scale markings on their legs, tag as blue scales, Character B has tears in their legwear, tag as torn pants.

post #9039415 has smooth red skin but is tagged red_scales, post #8164595 has smooth white skin but is tagged white_scales, and post #8840375 has smooth green skin but is tagged green_scales. Like I said, users are using whichever tag they feel like based on nothing more than a whim. The only reason these characters were tagged with scale tags was because they're reptile characters; it had nothing to do with whether or not they had scale markings. It's also more evidence of tag fracturing, because there's not a single color_skin tag on any of them.

AngryZapdos said:

post #9039415 has smooth red skin but is tagged red_scales, post #8164595 has smooth white skin but is tagged white_scales, and post #8840375 has smooth green skin but is tagged green_scales. Like I said, users are using whichever tag they feel like based on nothing more than a whim. The only reason these characters were tagged with scale tags was because they're reptile characters; it had nothing to do with whether or not they had scale markings. It's also more evidence of tag fracturing, because there's not a single color_skin tag on any of them.

Users are wrong all the time. Why are there 6 pages of results for 2girls + solo? Because users don't know how to tag, how to read tag wikis, etc. My understanding is that one of our jobs as builders is to fix their bad tagging. I'm guilty of getting tags wrong, and I've seen Admins get them wrong too, and the goal is to be constantly improving, gardening, and making the site better in spite of the lazy users who undertag stuff. Linking examples of users failing to tag the way I'm suggesting they should doesn't mean anything when there's no clear guidance, and should be expected to occur even if we update the wikis. It is a rare tag that I look at which doesn't have a significant percentage of mistagged images, and so I go and tag them correctly.

definitelysleeping said:

Users are wrong all the time. Why are there 6 pages of results for 2girls + solo? Because users don't know how to tag, how to read tag wikis, etc. My understanding is that one of our jobs as builders is to fix their bad tagging. I'm guilty of getting tags wrong, and I've seen Admins get them wrong too, and the goal is to be constantly improving, gardening, and making the site better in spite of the lazy users who undertag stuff. Linking examples of users failing to tag the way I'm suggesting they should doesn't mean anything when there's no clear guidance, and should be expected to occur even if we update the wikis. It is a rare tag that I look at which doesn't have a significant percentage of mistagged images, and so I go and tag them correctly.

Another one of our jobs is to prevent bad tagging in the first place by making tags less convoluted and more straightforward, and having two tags that are used interchangeably for the same thing is the opposite of straightforward. It is unintuitive and only causes problems.

AngryZapdos said:

Again, I'm allowed to find nothing of value in your (or anyone's) proposals, just as you or any other user is allowed to find nothing in mine. If you can't get past that, then maybe the Danbooru forums aren't for you.

You misunderstand, I'm taking pity not offense. I'm saying that it contributes nothing, and you sound like a jackass on top of it. So save some face and stop shitting up the thread just because you're upset when other users don't share the same perceptions/opinions as you.

AngryZapdos said:

Friendly reminder that I mentioned these issues with the scale tags should be resolved before someone started making BURs for them. In fact, I mentioned this several times in a discussion you were actively taking part in, and at least once directly to you.

Oh my mistake, it probably got lost in all those "Scales should be treated as skin" grasping-at-straws justifications.

AngryZapdos said:

You're the one who charged ahead and made the BUR despite being aware of these concerns, so please don't turn around and act as if they belong in a seperate topic.

I "charged ahead" because the color implications are just common sense. That you don't see it that way is the fault of your own deficiency.

Comparing this "Scales should be treated as skin" nonsense to a commonplace color implications BUR is just a misguided attempt at false equivalence, and that isn't hyperbole. If you take issue with it so much then you can do something about it yourself.

AngryZapdos said:

post #9039415 has smooth red skin but is tagged red_scales

Actually that's orange and would be tagged orange skin.

AngryZapdos said:

post #8164595 has smooth white skin but is tagged white_scales, and post #8840375 has smooth green skin but is tagged green_scales. Like I said, users are using whichever tag they feel like based on nothing more than a whim.

Yes those should be their colored skin equivalent tags instead. But so what? Users thinking they're applying tags correctly without looking at a wiki is not a new phenomena.

AngryZapdos said:

Another one of our jobs is to prevent bad tagging in the first place by making tags less convoluted and more straightforward, and having two tags that are used interchangeably for the same thing is the opposite of straightforward. It is unintuitive and only causes problems.

And how would merging scale and skin tags' functionality in the way you're implying help with more accurate searches in any conceivable way?