A way to tag people that are the subject of a post, but not depicted

A continuation of both Proposal for new type of tags for pics drawn in memoriam of artists and About the in memoriam pool

The current system of tagging characters is fairly simple; They get tagged when they are present in the image.
There are however two exceptions to this:

• Posts mourning the passing of a person (pool:In Memoriam)
• Posts referencing a voice actor connection of a seiyuu.

In both these cases they get tagged with the subject person, even if they aren't present in the image.
While it makes sense for searchability, it does muddy the results with posts that do not picture the person.
People who wish to search for those posts now have to juggle with a combination of -voice_actor_connection, chartags:1 and -pool:1318.

Past discussions about moving these relations to dedicated tags were positive.
It would give memoriam hashtags autocomplete functionality, it would improve the flexibility for mourning posts (and for the longer term make the In Memoriam pool not longer needed), and it would be a great chance to clean up the seiyuu tags from over a decade worth of mistagging.

The draft we settled on the last time we discussed this was the creation of a person_(topic) tag as a way to tag people that are the subject of a post, but not visually present.

For example post #8419168, mourning the passing of Toriyama Akira would then be searchable with the addition of

GENERAL
toriyama_akira_(topic)

post #8025241, mourning the passing of Rachael Lillis who voiced both Jessie and Misty would then be tagged:

CHARACTERS
jessie_(pokemon)
misty_(pokemon)

GENERAL
rachael_lillis_(topic)
in_memoriam
voice_actor_connection

And post #7210356, picturing Nanoha and Fate cosplaying as Himiko and Uesugi respectively for a double voice actor connection would be tagged:

CHARACTERS
fate_testarossa
himiko_(fate)
takamachi_nanoha
uesugi_kenshin_(fate)

GENERAL
mizuki_nana_(topic)
tamura_yukari_(topic)
voice_actor_connection

Thoughts? Ideas? Improvements?

I would prefer the topic tags to be Character tags instead of General tags but otherwise I have nothing to note and I agree with this course of action.

wispydreamer said:

I would prefer the topic tags to be Character tags instead of General tags but otherwise I have nothing to note and I agree with this course of action.

+1

I would argue the topic tags could probably be meta tags rather than character tags, but either way I agree.

Not bad, but possibly too confusing as-is. If it can't be a collection pool I'd do something more specific by making a general tag with a name similar to what the pool would have.

For the vast majority of artist death cases, "<copyright> in_memoriam" would give you the same posts (e.g., why have "kentaro miura (topic)" when you can just do berserk in_memoriam?).
For voice actor connection, I think continuing to use the voice actor's character tag is fine. Just don't tag real life unless they actually appear.

It's about time in_memoriam be converted from a pool to a tag.

Memorial posts where the subject isn't depicted have always confused me. I tagged post #8373451 as Technoblade since his character's clothes are clearly visible, but I didn't on one of the child posts of post #7962149 where nothing directly related to him is visible.

I'd imagine it gets to be even more of a headache when voice actors, series creators, etc. get involved.

I personally don't have any thoughts one way or the other on a proposed solution, other than I agree in_memoriam should be a tag and not a pool.

I suppose such topic tags would operate like our cosplay tags do now? If so, I guess I wouldn't mind it. A decision would need to be made over tag category and implicating the original chartag though.

LQ said:

For the vast majority of artist death cases, "<copyright> in_memoriam" would give you the same posts (e.g., why have "kentaro miura (topic)" when you can just do berserk in_memoriam?).

This was an earlier idea in the previous topics, but the problem you run into is when in the future a second major person related to the same copyright passes away.
To stick with the Toriyama Akira and Dragonball example; If for some reason knock on wood Nozawa Masako who voices Son Goku and a number of other characters passes away, it will undoubtedly cause another influx of art.
These would then all be grouped under dragonball in_memoriam and get mixed up with the posts dedicated to Toriyama Akira.
And this is before we even get into the characters she voices for other copyrights like Gegege no Kitarou and Digimon.

Another benefit of dedicated _(topic) tags is that they can be used for things that aren't memorial related such as posts wishing a person a happy birthday, like post #2880854.
Shoutout to nonamethanks for that idea (forum #299550)

wispydreamer said:

I would prefer the topic tags to be Character tags instead of General tags but otherwise I have nothing to note and I agree with this course of action.

ANON_TOKYO said:

A decision would need to be made over tag category and implicating the original chartag though.

While I wouldn't mind putting them under the chartags, I personally have a slight preference for keeping it as a gentag because I consider the things that would fall under _(topic) tags more like events.
Bit of a weird example, but making it a chartag feels to me a bit like moving 2024_attempted_assassination_of_donald_trump to a chartag if you catch my drift.
In that vain, I would also argue against _(topic) tags having an implication to the original chartag, even if we do end up putting _(topic) tags under the character category.

Ylimegirl said:

I would argue the topic tags could probably be meta tags rather than character tags, but either way I agree.

That thought also crossed my mind because it "technically" references information that isn't shown in the image.
But creating more meta tags feels like the incorrect route so I would personally vote against that.

the topic tags could be useful for fictional characters too. i have post #8450894 where a character that's not present is still relevant to the picture, there's post #6904936 too. i bet there are some ship comics out there that would benefit from that as well

in general searching for notes with a character's name as the text and copyright -character as the search should yield some results, like so

sinning said:

the topic tags could be useful for fictional characters too.

That absolutely is a discussion worth having, but I would like to tackle this one step at the time.
Posts involving the deaths of fictional characters are currently in a different pool Pool: Rest in Peace and are considered a separate thing at the moment.

If we immediately start creating _(topic) tags for fictional characters, something like post #8178491 involving the graduation of Watson Amelia without her depiction would absolutely fall under this, which in turn would put the existence of the Virtual Graduation Commemoration pool into question.
Whether or not we even want to do that is far beyond the scope of this topic.

So for now I want to focus on how to handle real life people, Pool: In Memoriam, and voice actor connection related posts.

GabrielWB said:
but the problem you run into is when in the future a second major person related to the same copyright passes away.

If using the date: keyword in a search isn't an option, I think another gentag would be fine, but it should be more specific like "death of <name>"