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[Feature suggest] Mode menu availability

Posted under Bugs & Features

I've just learned about the existence of Mode menu and I'm wondering why it's only available for gold and above users.
While it's helping navigating the website it also offers a convenient tool to facilitate tagging (tag scripts).

Although I might be wrong as I didn't test it, it seems useful and powerful.

Wouldn't such a tool being available to all registered users improve the overall tagging of images ?

I do understand gold users must have some advantages but the current inability to upgrade makes me wonder if the restriction is still revelant hence why I'm bringing this topic.

It's exclusive to privileged users because otherwise many bad actors, which are statistically less likely to be promoted, could much more easily do mass vandalism on tags on a larger scale.
And this also applies to well-meaning but unfamiliar/unaware users who just do more damage with their mistakes as well if given this tool (even builders like me sometimes make those, so imagine how likely it is for someone who's new to the site), even if it would also facilitate their honest tagging efforts.

So your best shot is to keep contributing until you get promoted builder+, then it will become easier to contribute more. (and honest activity in the forum counts as contributions too)

Couldn't the actions from ill-intentioned user be easily reverted once found (banning and reverting their actions) ?
If so then mass-vandalism shouldn't be a big threat.

I understand the argument about the new users, but to fuel the debate I don't think they would use this 'advanced' tool until they understood how danbooru works and basic knowledge of tags as there is so much to learn.

It might do more harm than good, I was only thinking about the good when I made this topic (and how much easier it would be for me to fix tags :sweat_smile:)

glousk said:

Couldn't the actions from ill-intentioned user be easily reverted once found (banning and reverting their actions) ?
If so then mass-vandalism shouldn't be a big threat.

I understand the argument about the new users, but to fuel the debate I don't think they would use this 'advanced' tool until they understood how danbooru works and basic knowledge of tags as there is so much to learn.

It might do more harm than good, I was only thinking about the good when I made this topic (and how much easier it would be for me to fix tags :sweat_smile:)

How easy it is to revert depends on exactly what's done and in what manner. But since i'm not a mod/admin i won't talk on the specifics.
Just know that in some cases, it's not clear if something is ill-intended or just a really misguided and counter-productive attempt at helping. And just because something is easy to revert doesn't mean it isn't time consuming

Yes, new users would absolutely use this tool as soon as they would see it's use, a lot of people are impatient with the process of contributing until a promotion can happen, especially in the current situation of such promotion being the only replacement for gold for now, aside from the occasional platinum raffle. And if someone isn't familiar with the site in general, they would also be unlikely to realize they even need to learn stuff before using the tool without messing up.
So yes it would do more harm than good

You vastly overestimate the caution of the average user. 99% of users never read the rules and don't bother to read wikis before they start mass adding/removing tags. Some even somehow manage hundreds of edits a day even without the extra tools.

These things often go quite a while before someone catches it, too, and it only takes one person making a mess of a tag to cause a domino effect of users that don't question or double check anything perpetuating the mess. We don't really want more messes than we already have on our plate.

As one example of something I had to fix, someone very early on tagged Ghislaine Dedoldia as wearing a bikini, and other users that clearly just lazily copied Related Tags or took tags directly from other posts continued to mindlessly tag all of her posts with bikini until I noticed and cleaned it up. After that, the bikini tagging almost completely stopped, because no one actually thought about what they were tagging, they were just copying someone else's mistake.

Now imagine if every single user had the ability to use tag scripting and were making dozens of edits like that at a time. Promoted users are hard enough to keep track of as it is.

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