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The user https://danbooru.donmai.us/users/492559TrueKringe sent me a message telling me I was given a negative record for supposedly using wrong tags without any sort of previous warning. I believe he is abusing the grade system.
This is the report he sent me
https://danbooru.donmai.us/dmails/2275753?key=eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MjI3NTc1MywicHVyIjoiZG1haWxfbGluayJ9fQ%3D%3D--38898588fdc8c139f9d49a65063df9d5d0ee6e498245e41d87b8e624e6eaf9e9
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This person also created a negative feedback of me because of spoilers I posted accidentaly years ago in some comments without any warning at all... https://danbooru.donmai.us/users/7624
This is the report I got
https://danbooru.donmai.us/dmails/48851?key=eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6NDg4NTEsInB1ciI6ImRtYWlsX2xpbmsifX0%3D--405243a8cbcc4b62e69a412bf55a66dda82049788d443da5c462d8b7c0b84bc8
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Provence said:
You should probably contact an admin for that. Forums aren't really meant for that. Hope you understand.
Thank You for the Clarification. For the last 16 years all my Tag changes, my uploads, many many wiki page changes and comments have been and are always in good informative faith. I believe I have been bullied simply for liking vintage robot mecha military anime.
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WeakestResUser said:
FWIW: we can't see that DMail. If you intended to share it, you need to click "Share" then copy the resulting URL in your address bar and post that instead.
I think Kronnang Dunn was talking about the automated DMail sent to a user whenever they receive a feedback.
Kronnang_Dunn said:
The user https://danbooru.donmai.us/users/492559TrueKringe sent me a message telling me I was given a negative record for supposedly using wrong tags without any sort of previous warning. I believe he is abusing the grade system.
Regardless of how it was sent, the content of the feedback itself seems at least half-justified. You did add robot to a lot of mecha posts when they are considered mutually exclusive tags. Going through your uploads and cleaning up the tags would go a long way towards showing goodwill. I don't understand the complaint about the "manned military robot" part in the wiki since I can't find it anywhere in the wiki history.
For the spoiler negative, I think it's fair to request an appeal for it, especially since it was so long ago.
We just had a thread discussing some feedback-related drama between other users in topic #28261, so I strongly suggest you leave the feedback issue to the admins.
Edit: I may have misread the wikis. I'll remove the strikethrough if I was correct.
Edit 2: Yup, I was definitely wrong about that part.
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Blank_User said:
Regardless of how it was sent, the content of the feedback itself seems at least half-justified. You did add robot to a lot of mecha posts when they are considered mutually exclusive tags. Going through your uploads and cleaning up the tags would go a long way towards showing goodwill.I don't understand the complaint about the "manned military robot" part in the wiki since I can't find it anywhere in the wiki history.Edit: I may have misread the wikis. I'll remove the strikethrough if I was correct.
Mecha implicates robot, so I honestly have no idea what that record was talking about. We definitely don't treat them as two separate things, and it would be silly for us to do so when mecha genres are literally called things like Super Robot and Real Robot.
The odd thing is that robot specifies "autonomous" when mecha very often have pilots and, repeating myself, there's an implication between the two.
OblivArt said:
Oh wow, I really failed a spot check on that one. I think I got confused from vaguely remembered a previous conversation about the tags.
blindVigil said:
Mecha implicates robot, so I honestly have no idea what that record was talking about.
It might've been more about the wiki editing, but I don't know what's going on with that. The most recent addition was for "Real Robot" in the mecha wiki.
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Blank_User said:
It might've been more about the wiki editing, but I don't know what's going on with that. The most recent addition was for "Real Robot" in the mecha wiki.
That's what I'm talking about. The record is complaining about the addition of Real Robot genre to the mecha wiki, claiming mecha and robot aren't the same thing when we clearly treat one as a subset of the other, and Real Robot is definitely a genre of mecha. Mecha are literally called Giant Robots, like what even?
I seriously doubt this is "bullying for liking vintage anime" not that anyone here would stupid enough to admit that, but there's definitely something weird here.
Blank_User said:
Oh wow, I really failed a spot check on that one. I think I got confused from vaguely remembered a previous conversation about the tags.
It might've been more about the wiki editing, but I don't know what's going on with that. The most recent addition was for "Real Robot" in the mecha wiki.
The user "TrueKringe" https://danbooru.donmai.us/users/492559TrueKringe overeacted he graded me negative without any sort of warning. I graded him a neutral report as a warning describing how he is misusing the grading system to bully veteran Danbooru uploaders (I have been posting since 16 years ago always in good faith) just for liking mecha robot military anime....
Kronnang_Dunn said:
The user overeacted he graded me negative without any sort of warning. I graded him a neutral report as a warning describing how he is misusing the grading system to bully veteran Danbooru uploaders (I have been posting since 16 years ago always in good faith) just for liking mecha robot military anime....
Like I said, it probably has nothing to do with your taste in media.
And please don't resort to weaponizing the feedback system in retaliation. Just let moderation handle it.
Kronnang_Dunn said:
The user overeacted he graded me negative without any sort of warning. I graded him a neutral report as a warning describing how he is misusing the grading system to bully veteran Danbooru uploaders (I have been posting since 16 years ago always in good faith) just for liking mecha robot military anime....
It definitely seems like an overreaction, but why do you think it has to do with you liking those kind of anime? Continuously claiming that without evidence just makes you seem less credible. It's better to stick to the facts.
blindVigil said:
Like I said, it probably has nothing to do with your taste in media.
And please don't resort to weaponizing the feedback system in retaliation. Just let moderation handle it.
He is misusing the grading system. I sent him a perfectly normal neutral score warning per Danbooru official rules. I did not use a Negative feedback so do not accuse me of the same thing he did to me... Saying that I am weaponizing the grading system like TrueKringe just did is a serious unfounded and pretty difamatory accusation. It may seem you are taking sides in an otherwise neutral matter.
And the reason I believe he is targeting me is because he himself explicitly mentioned I am misusing those three tags, mecha, robot and military, when it is clearly and obivously not true. I am not a vandal. I am a Builder level user who happens to like and love mecha, robot and military anime very much. In 16 years my edits have always been in good faith.
And I also noticed that user has a history of one negative grade feedback for bullying another user with harsh language... Obviously I DO NOT.
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blindVigil said:
Mecha implicates robot, so I honestly have no idea what that record was talking about. We definitely don't treat them as two separate things, and it would be silly for us to do so when mecha genres are literally called things like Super Robot and Real Robot.
The odd thing is that robot specifies "autonomous" when mecha very often have pilots and, repeating myself, there's an implication between the two.
Mecha and robot used to be treated as distinct tags until fairly recently (by recently I mean only a year or two ago). Robot's wiki used to say it was exclusively for non-humanoid types and excluded mecha. It was a dumb and pedantic oldbooru construction, and it was eventually changed into an umbrella tag with related tags like mecha, humanoid robot, and non-humanoid robot implied to it.
HeeroWingZero said:
Mecha and robot used to be treated as distinct tags until fairly recently (by recently I mean only a year or two ago). Robot's wiki used to say it was exclusively for non-humanoid types and excluded mecha. It was a dumb and pedantic oldbooru construction, and it was eventually changed into an umbrella tag with related tags like mecha, humanoid robot, and non-humanoid robot implied to it.
If my memory serves I believe it was even before that, like 4 years or so...
Kronnang_Dunn said:
He is misusing the grading system. I sent him a perfectly normal neutral score warning per Danbooru official rules. I did not use a Negative feedback so do not accuse me of the same thing he did to me... Saying that I am weaponizing the grading system like TrueKringe just did is a serious unfounded and pretty difamatory accusation. It may seem you are taking sides in an otherwise neutral matter.
The rules warn against retaliatory feedbacks, and even if that wasn't your intention, it's still more likely to raise tensions and make it harder to resolve the issue peacefully. From what little information we have access to, the evidence seems to be on your side, but adding claims you can't prove in your feedback does not help your case. The most likely result is that both feedbacks will be removed.
HeeroWingZero said:
Mecha and robot used to be treated as distinct tags until fairly recently (by recently I mean only a year or two ago). Robot's wiki used to say it was exclusively for non-humanoid types and excluded mecha. It was a dumb and pedantic oldbooru construction, and it was eventually changed into an umbrella tag with related tags like mecha, humanoid robot, and non-humanoid robot implied to it.
Yes, I think I vaguely remember that discussion. That explains why I got mixed up earlier.
Kronnang_Dunn said:
If my memory serves I believe it was even before that, like 4 years or so...
Robot was being used as an umbrella (against the wiki's guidelines) for quite some time before it was officially changed. That was only two years ago, as the BUR that led to that change can be seen at forum #211524, but yes, it's crazy that the official change didn't happen for so long.
HeeroWingZero said:
Robot was being used as an umbrella (against the wiki's guidelines) for quite some time before it was officially changed. That was only two years ago, as the BUR that led to that change can be seen at forum #211524, but yes, it's crazy that the official change didn't happen for so long.
For what Is worth the TAG robot appears automatically whenever I post the TAG mecha.
