Hair streak colors and their usefulness.

It's come to my (and other users') attention that in the last year or so the following tags have been created as a subset of streaked hair:

• red streaks
• green streaks
• aqua streaks
• blue streaks
• pink streaks
• white streaks

Other streak-related tags of doubtful usefulness:

• single hair streak
• color streak

Most of these are pretty recent, not even a year old, so what's going on here?
I personally think they should be aliased to their respective hair color (red_Streaks -> red_hair), OR streaked_hair so that whenever someone wishes to use them, they see how it should be tagged instead.
Nuking or deprecation would probably work well too.

Yeah, I second the proposal to axe them. We already have streaked hair and two-tone hair/multicolored hair. We don't need tags just for hair streak colors specifically. Only issue is I can't decide if aliasing or nuking and/or deprecating would be the better option.

Yeah they're pretty much useless, even more if the colour_hair tag is removed in favour for the colour_streaks tag (the recent edits haven't done this thankfully but it happened in the past). If you search red hair and don't get images there the hair is streaked red there is something wrong with the tagging system.

BUR #29749 has been rejected.

mass update red_streaks -> streaked_hair red_hair -red_streaks
mass update green_streaks -> streaked_hair green_hair -green_streaks
mass update aqua_streaks -> streaked_hair aqua_hair -aqua_streaks
mass update blue_streaks -> streaked_hair blue_hair -blue_streaks
mass update pink_streaks -> streaked_hair pink_hair -pink_streaks
mass update white_streaks -> streaked_hair white_hair -white_streaks
mass update single_hair_streak -> streaked_hair -single_hair_streak

color_streak needs to be cleaned out manually; there's some old spot_color posts in there. The rest can be nuked immediately.

Unbreakable said:

Yeah they're pretty much useless, even more if the colour_hair tag is removed in favour for the colour_streaks tag (the recent edits haven't done this thankfully but it happened in the past). If you search red hair and don't get images there the hair is streaked red there is something wrong with the tagging system.

On the contrary I hate when I search say, green hair, and get post which aren't predominantly green post #7854694 post #7841372 post #7385260 it's frustrating

Two-tone or other types where the color distribution is more evenly split is fine, but a small strand polluting search results isn't what I'm looking for.

zetsubousensei said:

On the contrary I hate when I search say, green hair, and get post which aren't predominantly green post #7854694 post #7841372 post #7385260 it's frustrating

Two-tone or other types where the color distribution is more evenly split is fine, but a small strand polluting search results isn't what I'm looking for.

THIS thiis... (Though it's the same issue with colored inner hair and colored tips as well.)

While two-tone hair is useful for characters with two dominant hair colors, it is often used unneccesarily when simply the aliased multicolored hair works for for varied streaks, so the tag is convoluted with posts like post #6388965 or post #6174774.

I don't see the harm in having hair streaks specified, especially when it comes to subtle or singular hair streaks -- rather than going through pages of stuff like post #7695321 when looking for orange hair or, vice verse, posts like post #7125430 when looking for black hair.

TLDR: Having specific streak color tags help users search more efficiently with less tags, which needs to be taken into account, considering the two-tag limit. If a user is looking for black hair with red streaks, they can search black hair and red streaks, rather than 'black hair' and 'red hair' which...yeah, they're doomed, considering they have to sift through standalone colored inner hair, gradient hair, colored tips, split-color hair, two-tone hair, etc.

The counterargument is to not use a coloured hair tag for streaked hair and only use hair colour tags when the streaks are significant enough but still not enough to be two-tone hair. That prevents you from seeing posts where a colour hair tag is used and isn't significant enough.

I opt never to tag the colour of a hair streak (such as in the case of Acheron) unless the streaks are significant (such as in the case of Zhu Yuan). The latter character case isn't enough to qualify for two-tone hair but she has enough orange that it's reasonable to add orange hair, and the former has such light streaks that I cannot reasonably justify also tagging her default appearance with white hair.

I feel the problem lies more in the distinction of when to use a full colour hair tag more than it does needing to create such pedantic bloat tags that would be hellish to retroactively apply or enforce proper tagging on. Taggers just need to stop using a full colour when the colour doesn't have a visible presence and is only a very small bit of the overall hair. No one will jump you for that.

Regardless of the colour streaks though, single hair streak is a silly tag and whoever created it didn't read the streaked hair wiki. Streaked hair covers both a single streak and multiple streaks. There is no need to make such a granular tag at all.

WeakestResUser said:

I feel the problem lies more in the distinction of when to use a full colour hair tag more than it does needing to create such pedantic bloat tags that would be hellish to retroactively apply or enforce proper tagging on. Taggers just need to stop using a full colour when the colour doesn't have a visible presence and is only a very small bit of the overall hair.

Our color_hair tags have never been for "full hair colors". They've always applied regardless of whether the color was a streak, half the head or the whole head.

@AngryZapdos If that's the only issue here, an alternative is implicating the streak tags to the corresponding hair color tags.

Alternatively, the search "[color]_hair -streaked_hair" exists if it's really that bothersome. Two tag search too. Who the hell is actually searching for specific streak colors anyway?

AngryZapdos said:

color_streak needs to be cleaned out manually; there's some old spot_color posts in there. The rest can be nuked immediately.

Done. The fact that there were streaked hair and spot color in one tag is truly the hallmark of a bad tag. All arguments aside, I think we can at least agree on that, right?

Knowledge_Seeker said:

Alternatively, the search "[color]_hair -streaked_hair" exists if it's really that bothersome. Two tag search too. Who the hell is actually searching for specific streak colors anyway?

"Who the hell is actually searching for [insert tag here] anyway?" is a question I often ask myself on this site lol. Still though, why should others not get to utilize it simply because you don't utilize it? This is an archival site - perhaps someone wants to search for a character they saw once, but they only remember that the character has red hair and blue hair, with the blue hair being imposed as blue streaks. Bam, they find it a lot quicker.

Ourobouro said:

"Who the hell is actually searching for [insert tag here] anyway?" is a question I often ask myself on this site lol. Still though, why should others not get to utilize it simply because you don't utilize it? This is an archival site - perhaps someone wants to search for a character they saw once, but they only remember that the character has red hair and blue hair, with the blue hair being imposed as blue streaks. Bam, they find it a lot quicker.

I ask this question not out of an "I don't use it, so who the hell would?" belief. There's a lot of tags on this site that I don't care for that get searched all the time, after all. I ask this question because uselessly pedantic tags like these tend to not get searched by very many people. If not many people are searching these tags, that just proves my point.

Knowledge_Seeker said:

Alternatively, the search "[color]_hair -streaked_hair" exists if it's really that bothersome. Two tag search too. Who the hell is actually searching for specific streak colors anyway?

But "male_focus green_hair" pulls up a ton of Zhongli and removing it is a three tag search.

In my opinion if we are insisting on tagging a miniscule amount of a streak with the color then you might as well allow for the specific streak to be tagged so someone can go "green_hair -green_streaks." Removing streaked hair isn't a valid solution either because if the hair is predominantly green but streaked with another color it'll get caught even if someone looking for green hair would want to see post #7857136.

Knowledge_Seeker said:

I ask this question not out of an "I don't use it, so who the hell would?" belief. There's a lot of tags on this site that I don't care for that get searched all the time, after all. I ask this question because uselessly pedantic tags like these tend to not get searched by very many people. If not many people are searching these tags, that just proves my point.

Wait, how would you know that they're not getting searched by people when the tags were never populated in the first place? And why would a color qualifier subgroup be regarded as pedantic when they're existent across several tags? I wouldn't go out of my way to search for 'yellow ribbon', but hey, it's there.

Ourobouro said:

@AngryZapdos If that's the only issue here, an alternative is implicating the streak tags to the corresponding hair color tags.

Feel free to make a counter BUR.

While the tags do feel a bit redundant with how we already add the appropriate hair color tag when it's just a streak, the streaks tags do offer the ability to identify and search *what* the streak actually is, I'm not aware of a way to do this without these tags. They should imply their hair colors though, for consistency with established tagging rules.

Edit: to add to this, having these tags automatically solves the issue of finding red-haired characters when searching white_hair streaked_hair since white streaks can just be negated.

BUR #29775 has been rejected.

create implication red_streaks -> red_hair
create implication green_streaks -> green_hair
create implication aqua_streaks -> aqua_hair
create implication blue_streaks -> blue_hair
create implication pink_streaks -> pink_hair
create implication white_streaks -> white_hair

Just the colors, single hair streak I'm not sold on being significantly useful though.

BUR #29778 has been rejected.

A way for users to search or omit specific hair streak colors.

BUR #29780 has been rejected.

create implication official_alternate_streak_color -> official_alternate_hair_color
create implication alternate_streak_color -> alternate_hair_color

Also - Alternate streak color, which I'm adding as a standalone.

Allows easier, 2-tag-friendly searches for media for character's who either don't have streaked hair in canon, or who have their hair streak color altered, such as:
Hatsune Miku: post #5512554 / post #7951124 / post #7793989 / post #5684688
Tighnari: post #7095036 (and its post siblings)
Kaedehara Kazuha: post #4869067 / post #5579975 / post #5579968
Nahida: post #7778142