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Splitting skirt_hold between skirts and dresses

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AngryZapdos

BUR #29262 has been rejected.

deprecate skirt_hold
deprecate dress_hold
mass update skirt_hold skirt solo -> -skirt_hold grabbing_own_skirt
mass update skirt_hold dress solo -> -skirt_hold grabbing_own_dress
deprecate skirt_grab
deprecate dress_grab

  • 1. There's no reason to be using the same tag for both skirts and dresses when we differentiate between the two garments for almost every single other x_skirt/x_dress tag.

To address both of these problems, I wish to split skirt_hold (which is currently for " characters holding their skirt or dress without lifting or pulling it") into grabbing_own_skirt and grabbing_own_dress. I considered holding_own_skirt and holding_own_dress, but the concern with these is that users would add them to things like post #7591985. "Grabbing", meanwhile, implies that the character is not carrying the skirt but merely has a grip on it.

This is where it gets a bit complicated.

There are already tags for skirt and dress grabs: skirt_grab and dress_grab.

  • skirt_grab is for grabbing another's skirt.
  • dress_grab is for grabbing one's own dress.

As you could probably guess, neither tag is in particularly good shape. skirt_grab is full of lifting/pulling another's skirt, and posts that fit the current wiki for skirt_hold (of which I fixed all the solo posts). dress_grab is mostly the same, except it's dresses and also I haven't gardened it. As such, I'd also like to deprecate these two tags so we can siphon them off into the appropriate alternatives, like skirt_lift lifting_another's_clothes or the new grabbing_own_dress.

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TenaciousTurtleDucks

AngryZapdos said:

To address both of these problems, I wish to split skirt_hold (which is currently for " characters holding their skirt or dress without lifting or pulling it") into grabbing_own_skirt and grabbing_own_dress.

I don't think that definition is quite accurate, since skirt_hold/dress_hold applies to posts like post #7898816, where a character is lifting some part of their skirt/dress, just not in a revealing way which would be skirt_lift or dress_lift.

I do agree that alot of these clothing action tags are a mess, and that skirt_hold and dress_hold should be separated, but maybe there needs to be a bit more granularity. Like one set of tags for when a character is grabbing a skirt or dress, but not moving it at all, and another set of tags for when they are being lifted in a nonrevealing way that does not qualify as skirt_lift/dress_lift.

To be honest, I thought that was how skirt_hold/dress_hold vs. skirt_grab/dress_grab already worked.

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AngryZapdos

TenaciousTurtleDucks said:

I don't think that definition is quite accurate, since skirt_hold/dress_hold applies to posts like post #7898816, where a character is lifting some part of their skirt/dress, just not in a revealing way which would be skirt_lift or dress_lift.

I do agree that alot of these clothing action tags are a mess, and that skirt_hold and dress_hold should be separated, but maybe there needs to be a bit more granularity. Like one set of tags for when a character is grabbing a skirt or dress, but not moving it at all, and another set of tags for when they are being lifted in a nonrevealing way that does not qualify as skirt_lift/dress_lift.

If you want to be pedantic, I suppose what I really meant was "characters holding their skirt or dress without lifting or pulling it in a revealing fashion". Regardless of that, however, it's in our best interests to fix this current problem first. I've no issue with you discussing any potential distinctions after this BUR is approved.

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