Sorting out *_between_breasts tags

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At the moment, there are a staggering number of *_between_breasts tags for no real reason. Most of these aren't even aliased with between_breasts, leaving countless posts that should be tagged with that tag not searchable with the main tag.

I think most of these can easily be merged with the main tag, though there are standouts. Among the tags I suggest keeping separate are gift between breasts and money between breasts, since I think they represent fairly specific situations. money between breasts only has 20 posts but between_breasts + money has 243 posts and a good number from the first few pages qualify, where it mostly relates with playboy bunnys, gambling and the like.

Thoughts? If there are any issues, let me know.

A lot of those alias proposals are things that, with the tag aliased away, would have no way of searchingfor them, and some such as sword between breasts are quite distinctive concepts.

My thoughts:
- Neckerchief and Ascot between breasts should be merged, but probably at a level below clothes between breasts - perhaps to neckwear between breasts as with neckwear grab
- I'm completely indifferent to the existance or otherwise of buildings between breasts and pokemon between breasts
- All other aliases should not be done, although if they are large enough implications should be created if not already there.
- All implications should be done.
- Implications should also be added for the other direction where appropriate e.g. food between breasts should implicate food as well as between breasts

skylightcrystal said:

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A lot of those alias proposals are things that, with the tag aliased away, would have no way of searchingfor them, and some such as sword between breasts are quite distinctive concepts.

My thoughts:
- Neckerchief and Ascot between breasts should be merged, but probably at a level below clothes between breasts - perhaps to neckwear between breasts as with neckwear grab
- I'm completely indifferent to the existance or otherwise of buildings between breasts and pokemon between breasts
- All other aliases should not be done, although if they are large enough implications should be created if not already there.
- All implications should be done.
- Implications should also be added for the other direction where appropriate e.g. food between breasts should implicate food as well as between breasts

I was initially somewhat opposed to something like neckwear between breasts simply because it would encompass necktie between breasts and be flooded with those posts, though perhaps the issue isn't so much an overwhelming number of necktie_between_breasts as it is that the equivalent tags with ascots and neckerchiefs are undertagged, especially since experienced users would be less inclined to use those tags if they know they don't imply the main tag.

As for implications being done the other direction, that's a good point. I'll update the BUR immediately.

I'll ask around on Discord if any of the other specific tags may be useful. I'm personally inclined to believe that, for the most part, it would probably be simple to just tag between_breasts and whatever it is, though some of these may be harder to narrow down.

wadahishi said:

I'm personally inclined to believe that, for the most part, it would probably be simple to just tag between_breasts and whatever it is, though some of these may be harder to narrow down.

Your proposal would make it impossible actually narrow down these tags. Compare sword between breasts and the search sword between_breasts. necktie_between_breasts sword alone has as many results as sword between breasts.

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create implication ribbon_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication person_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication food_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication animal_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication money_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication gift_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication sword_between_breasts -> between_breasts
create implication ribbon_between_breasts -> ribbon
create implication food_between_breasts -> food
create implication animal_between_breasts -> animal
create implication money_between_breasts -> money
create implication gift_between_breasts -> gift
create implication sword_between_breasts -> sword

Alternate BUR. The fact that it would make it more difficult to narrow down searches that just have an object and ones that have them between breasts is a good point. We should still imply the more useful tags (or what I find are most useful) for posterity at least.

I'm not really sure where to draw the line, though, I originally intended to get rid of several of these tags because having this many would just lead to tag fragmentations over time, but implying all of them would be a little crazy (I'm not sure what the standards for "maximal implications" are). For now, I've decided to imply the good tags that have wiki pages, at least until further discussion.

Actually, while checking some wiki pages, I found tucked_money, which overlaps with money between breasts. The wiki pages suggests it really was intended for what money between breasts is for now, but now tucked money has been bastardised for any risque post with money tucked anywhere on a person, clothes, body parts, even for bara posts.

Any thoughts on this?

If you want to see 'maximal implications' just look at the list of tags that imply holding. Which the between breasts tag has certain similarities to - although it's unlikely to ever get anywhere near as many as that one has.

The tag is called tucked money. How else did you expect it to be used.

We had countless examples of general sounding tags having wikis that are ultra specific. It always ends up as a huge mess.

wadahishi said:

The wiki pages suggests it really was intended for what money between breasts is for now, but now tucked money has been bastardised for any risque post with money tucked anywhere on a person, clothes, body parts, even for bara posts.

It hasn't been bastardized, that is what the tag is intended for (which the wiki states): "When money is tucked in a character's cleavage or in their clothing, like a stripper." That has been the description for the tag since it was created six years ago. I'll refine the wiki definition to make it clear that it's not an exhaustive list.

Money in cleavage is currently a utility alias for tucked money, so if this goes through, that alias should be removed in favor of aliasing money in cleavage to money between breasts instead, which itself should have an implication to tucked money.

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I don't think lumping hair and fingers between breasts together with money between breasts makes much sense.

nonamethanks said:

I don't think lumping hair and fingers between breasts together with money between breasts makes much sense.

I'm not sure what you mean. Is it because they are both body parts whereas most of the *between_breast tags are objects?

Yes. Just because two tags share part of their name doesn't mean they should have an umbrella tag. money between breasts typically displays softcore prostitution, while hair between breasts is just people with hair between their breasts. You also did create implication person_between_breasts -> mini_person when it could be giantesses vs normal-sized people (post #5850633)

Fair enough, though sharing part of their name would be weird in the future. Should we just clarify in their own wiki pages that they are different?

On that same line of thinking I wonder if tags about clothing between breasts should be under the same umbrella tag as the rest because the way it's depicted is usually not the same as what one might usually expect for a tag name (at least in my mind, it's sticking an object in one's cleavage). There are countless examples in clothes between breasts where it's just a character's canon skimpy outfit that has been squeezed between their cleavage (post #6811972).

strap between breasts is a bit different but there are many cases where halterneck straps are tagged as much. Bremerton (azur lane) has 190 posts tagged with between breasts and I'm sure most of it is due to the straps on her day-off date outfit (post #7761397).

I've added your suggestions to my BUR for now.

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