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KalpacMuskoxen said:
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People already tag the original version of the characters. Younger versions of characters in other media already get implied, and we imply things like super forms and prototype designs. I don't understand your logic here at all.
I also really disagree that Rusty Rose is in any way too fundamentally different from Amy Rose...
Trouble_Windows said:
People already tag the original version of the characters. Younger versions of characters in other media already get implied, and we imply things like super forms and prototype designs. I don't understand your logic here at all.
Sonic Prime functions similarly to multiverse stories like Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. The variants presented (like Rusty Rose, Thorn Rose, the Chaos Council members, Nine, etc.) are different characters within the both the show's narrative and the subsequent games they have appeared in, not just the original characters in different outfits, forms, or ages.
For tagging purposes, treating them as distinct entities often leads to clearer and more precise searching. For example, we don't imply multiverse variants like Peter B Parker to the main Peter Parker tag, nor do the various distinct Mega Men iterations imply each other. Applying that logic here seems appropriate.
Trouble_Windows said:
I also really disagree that Rusty Rose is in any way too fundamentally different from Amy Rose...
They're different characters. Here's some clips with Black Rose and Rusty Rose interacting with each other. Neither of them are Amy, who is also a character in the show.
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KalpacMuskoxen said:
Sonic Prime functions similarly to multiverse stories like Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. The variants presented (like Rusty Rose, Thorn Rose, the Chaos Council members, Nine, etc.) are different characters within the both the show's narrative and the subsequent games they have appeared in, not just the original characters in different outfits, forms, or ages.
For tagging purposes, treating them as distinct entities often leads to clearer and more precise searching. For example, we don't imply multiverse variants like Peter B Parker to the main Peter Parker tag, nor do the various distinct Mega Men iterations imply each other. Applying that logic here seems appropriate.
They're different characters. Here's some clips with Black Rose and Rusty Rose interacting with each other. Neither of them are Amy, who is also a character in the show.
Yeah, I guess that's fair then.
The bulk update request #39836 (forum #346593) has been rejected by @Trouble_Windows.
The bulk update request #39838 (forum #346597) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
So what about forum #346594?
Frankly this seems pedantic to me. Most of these characters look the same.
nonamethanks said:
So what about forum #346594?
Frankly this seems pedantic to me. Most of these characters look the same.
I agree, I left that one up because we already imply the Sonic and the Black Knight characters.
nonamethanks said:
So what about forum #346594?
Frankly this seems pedantic to me. Most of these characters look the same.
The "looks the same" argument can be misleading for tagging best practices. We have precedents for distinct tags even with characters with identical appearances, like the Harper and Sarah twins in Pokemon, and near-identical twins Hikari and Nozomi from Blue Archive (distinguishable only by their hairstyle) – the key difference is their identity. Conversely, Shadow Mario isn't implied to Mario because he's Bowser Jr., while Metal Mario is implied because he is Mario, despite being visually identical in nearly every way but hue. It's context-dependent on whether they are fundamentally the same character.
When the source material, artists, and fans treat variants (like the Sonic Prime multiverse characters or Storybook counterparts) as distinct, our tagging should respect that, even if visual differences are subtle to outsiders. Imposing implications based solely on appearance can misrepresent the artwork and actively hinders search use-cases (like finding images with both original and variant characters present). Maintaining separate tags, while cross-referencing on wikis, offers better precision.
The Storybook character implications should have never been made, considering it was made clear in their debut games that likenesses aside, they're different characters.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor
(also apparently as of March, Sinbad is set to be relevant again for the first time in 18 years!)
KalpacMuskoxen said:
The "looks the same" argument can be misleading for tagging best practices. We have precedents for distinct tags even with characters with identical appearances, like the Harper and Sarah twins in Pokemon, and near-identical twins Hikari and Nozomi from Blue Archive (distinguishable only by their hairstyle) – the key difference is their identity. Conversely, Shadow Mario isn't implied to Mario because he's Bowser Jr., while Metal Mario is implied because he is Mario, despite being visually identical in nearly every way but hue. It's context-dependent on whether they are fundamentally the same character.
When the source material, artists, and fans treat variants (like the Sonic Prime multiverse characters or Storybook counterparts) as distinct, our tagging should respect that, even if visual differences are subtle to outsiders. Imposing implications based solely on appearance can misrepresent the artwork and actively hinders search use-cases (like finding images with both original and variant characters present). Maintaining separate tags, while cross-referencing on wikis, offers better precision.
The Storybook character implications should have never been made, considering it was made clear in their debut games that likenesses aside, they're different characters.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor
(also apparently as of March, Sinbad is set to be relevant again for the first time in 18 years!)
I feel like there's a big difference between twins and counterpart characters that are meant to be slightly different situations.
Also, while there are variants that don't get implied (I'm reminded of Dark Link and Nega Scott, for example), it's generally more of a case-by-case thing, which I feel is probably best, standardizing how different character variants in wildly different franchises are handled seems like a recipe for disaster. I don't think I've ever seen someone say Nine isn't Tails, just that he's a different version of Tails. I usually see artists on other sites like Tumblr use both the main Tails tag and the more specific Nine tag.
The Shadow Mario argument is also misleading. No one's ever proposed an implication to begin with. This is the first time that tag has been mentioned in the forums. That's not to say an implication for him would be correct, but you can't really make claims about "why" it's not implied when no one's actually discussed whether it should be or not to begin with.
