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Dodo1 said:
It couldn't possibly be more relevant. Again, deeply central to the story. Space marines are directly tied to primarchs actually.
Relevancy to story does not automatically equate to relevancy to tagging. For the same reason lore and spoilers should be avoided in wikis unless it can reasonable be considered relevant to tagging.
winkywonker said:
perhaps you should take a chill pill and try not take everything so seriously? maybe then there wouldn't be these aforementioned "flames" you love to light so much.
then why do tags like superhero & supervillain exist? if you say it's because of the signature cape & spandex then I can simply use the argument that the power armor that the Space Marines & Primarchs wear justifies the tag.
They exist because anyone familiar with western comics could tell you what a superhero or supervillain looks like. "They wear spandex and their underwear on the outside" have been enduring memes about western comics for decades for a reason. The concept is so recognizable All Might was specifically designed to resemble them, even having different outfits during his career that corresponded to the "Bronze", "Silver", "Gold", ect. ages of superhero comics. The concept is recognizable with repeatedly appearing physical traits, anyone even passingly familiar with pop culture could tell you what a superhero looks like.
You're right, the armor Adeptus Astartes and Chaos Space Marines wear justifies their tags, as well as the space marine tag (at least in my opinion), but they don't justify the primarch tag because their armor isn't unique to Primarchs. It's the same armor worn by the regular marines. No one could tell you what a Primarch was if they weren't already familiar with which characters have that title. You couldn't make a fan character and expect people to know at a glance that they were a Primarch, without specifically depicting them next to regular sized space marines, and even then that would only mean anything to someone already familiar with the single shared trait primarchs seem to have.
Dodo1 said:
It couldn't possibly be more relevant. Again, deeply central to the story. Space marines are directly tied to primarchs actually. I suggest doing a brief look into the 40k universe. I hate how douchy this sound but I blame this more on my inability to explain but I think the primarch discussions should be mostly for people in the fandom.
A fan site put it better than I could:
The Primarchs were the twenty genetically-engineered "sons" of the Emperor of Mankind, and the genetic "fathers" of the Space Marine Legions.
PLEASE do a look into what the primarchs are before going against the tag (Again hate how gatekeeping I sound but it's just for the sake of tagging). You might even like the setting.
As I already said, I am familiar with the setting and like it quite a lot. You know what really doesn't help this discussion? Seemingly ignoring what other people are trying to tell you, side-stepping BURs to manually make changes everyone else is against, and repeatedly claiming that people just aren't understanding you and everyone would get it if they just knew more about the lore. We don't need to know about the lore, the lore doesn't matter. We already know what we need to know. What we need is for you to understand how our tags work and how we use them, and across at least three separate threads we have been trying to explain this to you, and you just aren't listening. If it feels like you're being yelled at, that might have something to do with it.
Lore is only relevant to tagging if it's absolutely necessary, and it isn't necessary here. The only thing we need to know is how can someone with minimal or even zero knowledge of 40k know when it's correct to tag primarch, that doesn't just rely on them just knowing which characters are canonically Primarchs. "Technically not actually human" isn't good enough, besides the ones that have turned into demons, they all just look like humans. "Bigger than the other space marines" isn't good enough either, there are other characters that are not Primarchs that are also extremely big. Do they share any other visual traits?
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岩戸鈴芽 said:
Relevancy to story does not automatically equate to relevancy to tagging. For the same reason lore and spoilers should be avoided in wikis unless it can reasonable be considered relevant to tagging.
I mean that in the context of what people will most likely be searching for. You might want primarch content and not be able to say, filter for nearly 20 separate tags for instance. People do filter for/against primarch content.
I highly urge anyone not into 40k to take a look into the lore before arguing against the primarch tag.
sabisabi said:
Space Marines I understand. From what I've seen, they all wear a very distinct set of giant armor.
so do the Primarchs, each Primarch has their own unique custom set of armor that's far greater than space marine armor and is also crafted to such a design to where the very power suit reflects the traits & personality of any given primarch that any respective primarch suit is designed for.
sabisabi said:
I'm not a Wh40k expert, so please correct me on this if I'm wrong: But from what I understand the Primarchs aren't an alter ego like Superman nor do they have monstrous traits like monster girls/boys
some Primarchs do have altar egos like Konrad's Nighthuanter
as for monstrous traits, Leman Russ is pretty much a man-wolf.
Konrad Kurze has black eyes & pale skin that pretty much makes him look like a vampire king.
Vulkan has full black skin with the fiery glowing eyes that are similar to the drakes he used to hunt on his homeworld.
Lion El'Johnson's childhood was mostly spent within the wild forests of Caliban, a world that crawled with massive wild great beasts that ruled the world until he came, if memory serves me his first kill may have been a Calibanite Lion, the most dangerous of all the great beasts, which is why he was named as such after he had brought back it's head from the hunt, which was a custom at this point before the emperor found him.
Sanguinius is pretty much a literal biblical archangel.
Jaghatai Khan is pretty much space Genghis Khan on a space bike.
Mortarion is pretty much Death.
Magnus is a wizard king with red skin.
Angron's a literal demon.
Corax is pretty much Konrad, just less creepy and with crows.
I think Lorgar's a demon as well
Fulgrim's half snake half demon
Alpharious & Omagon are pretty much twin Agent 47s
Horus is pretty much the Devil
the only ones I could say with confidence resemble humans the most are Roboute, Ferrus, Perturabo & Dorn
sabisabi said:
they're just really big humans with backstories that I sincerely doubt will be relevant enough in any piece of art uploaded that it would warrant a tag.
oh trust me, the details on the backstories are relevant enough.
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