nuke <color>_serafuku

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None of these tags have ever been used correctly due to the name being incredibly dogshit, now being brought to the forefront by cunny uploaders. They all mean "a serafuku with the shirt and skirt/shorts the same color", but that's not going to fly in the no-wiki-reader crowd, AND we already have skirt set for that. If the sailor collar, neckerchief, and socks don't matter, then they are all completely redundant.

thelieutenant said:

If the sailor collar, neckerchief, and socks don't matter, then they are all completely redundant.

I don't think narrowing down tags like this to such precise requirements is going to benefit anybody. The shirt and the skirt set the main tone of the entire outfit. I could see the argument for including the collar, but if you include absolutely everything you're going to end up about 4 posts which isn't going to be very useful in searching.

Looking at skirt set, it doesn't seem that intuitive to me compared to the "simple" color matching of the serafuku tags, and it also includes many different kinds of matched outfits, so it functions really poorly as an alternative.

While I agree especially 😭 archive seems to be a source of many mistags (I almost compeltely emptied arona_(blue_archive) blue_serafuku just this week), this alone shouldn't warrant the removal of these useful search tags.

岩戸鈴芽 said:
Looking at skirt set, it doesn't seem that intuitive to me compared to the "simple" color matching of the serafuku tags, and it also includes many different kinds of matched outfits, so it functions really poorly as an alternative.

serafuku skirt_set lgtm

While I agree especially 😭 archive seems to be a source of many mistags (I almost compeltely emptied arona_(blue_archive) blue_serafuku just this week), this alone shouldn't warrant the removal of these useful search tags.

unless something is changed about them they will continue to be incredibly mistagged and i dont see a future where someone can be told "no dumbass just because her shirt is white and has a sailor collar doesnt mean you tag white_serafuku" working out

This is another example of perfectly fine tags being ruined by our less than stellar users. They’re compound tags, sure, but is that inherently a bad thing? No. The alternative is color_shirt color_skirt serafuku, a three tag search, or four if you require the neckerchief to match (which I’m ambivalent about, seeing as it would exclude post #6407548 when it contains practically the same amount of blue fabric as post #6748436). And the alternative is to force usage of an 87.5% Touhou tag that precisely four people use consistently, and I’m not even sure if they’re correct. How is post #6774604 similar to post #6709654, or to its wiki that claims a “same material in the same style”? The patterns of the top and bottom wear don’t even match. Expecting users to handle this properly when they can’t even understand blue serafuku refers to the set of shirt and skirt somehow seems more delusional.

thelieutenant said:

unless something is changed about them they will continue to be incredibly mistagged and i dont see a future where someone can be told "no dumbass just because her shirt is white and has a sailor collar doesnt mean you tag white_serafuku" working out

And yet, despite virtually 99% of our site agreeing the current off shoulder vs. off-shoulder_* is unintuitive and confusing, we still keep it. This “future” has been handled by Jerr for years. Are you proposing to move there next?

BobTheBuilder_v1 said:

And the alternative is to force usage of an 87.5% Touhou tag that precisely four people use consistently, and I’m not even sure if they’re correct.
How is post #6774604 similar to post #6709654, or to its wiki that claims a “same material in the same style”? The patterns of the top and bottom wear don’t even match. Expecting users to handle this properly when they can’t even understand blue serafuku refers to the set of shirt and skirt somehow seems more delusional.

the frieren post had her wearing a dress, so it was mistagged from the start. if you think skirt_set is exclusively touhou, it sounds like it should be fixed by implicating the serafukus to it. after all, if the tag in the current state is what you want, by definition all of them are subsets of skirt_set

And yet, despite virtually 99% of our site agreeing the current off shoulder vs. off-shoulder_* is unintuitive and confusing, we still keep it. This “future” has been handled by Jerr for years. Are you proposing to move there next?

trusting multiple tags to be gardened by single user instead of fixing the inate problem isnt a great solution. are you going to be the one that gardens these tags forever? constantly sending dmails, defending their use in the forums, teaching every new member the correct use? if you are, then i congratulate you on your dedication to this site. else, i wont be surprised if this problem comes up again in a few years because every builder gets bored of gardening the same tags after a few months

If these tags are never used correctly, how are those updates supposed to work? Just with a quick glance I can see several posts in those searches that I'm pretty sure shouldn't be tagged skirt set.

Are we really arguing replacing 1 composite tag with a 4-tag combo and expect people to tag all 4 required tags consistently when the root issue is people not bothering to read a wiki before tagging and dumb/lazy related tags clickers clicking on all 20 related tags without looking?

If kept, *_serafuku should at least imply some of the other tags. Skirt set, maybe the colored shirt and skirt.

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