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nuke unwanted_creampie

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BUR #19358 has been rejected.

nuke unwanted_creampie

R34-style tag.

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nonamethanks said:

I wouldn't be opposed to the existence of this tag, if it's used properly and not just for every instance of rape. Something like post #5739550 is a fairly popular trope.

I belive we need add a description because there are two implications in this case when is consesual sex, is most like a surprise or accidental creampie? I really don't know, when implicate rape is unwanted creampie, now it's possible fix the use of the tag or we need a new one to start again,

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Mayhem-Chan

romanchoceur said:

Please don't delete this tag; I've wished for it for a while and was happy to see it had been created. I've added clearer instructions to its wiki page.

A clear wiki is nice but that's never gonna be enough to prevent the tag from being too high maintenance, most people don't read wikis, and even people who do read them don't read all of them in the tags they use.
Also your decision to make it include instances of rape is a bad idea that will just give another excuse to users to not just use the rape tag, messing with blacklists, on top of just rendering the tag definitively useless because again, people can just search rape cum in pussy, it would show 99% of the results that unwanted creampie would have with that inclusion, while the few posts that depict the non-rape niche people have already mentionned here will still be completely diluted.
If it has to exist, then being mutually exclusive with rape is necessary

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blindVigil

Mayhem-Chan said:

If it has to exist, then being mutually exclusive with rape is necessary

I don't agree with this. Sure we don't want people using it as just a replacement for rape cum_in_pussy, but what sense does it make to arbitrarily exclude posts that objectively meet the criteria of the tag? All that would do is increase the number of posts that get wrongly tagged, and wouldn't do anything to stop people from tagging it on every instance of rape. It makes the tag worse to no benefit.

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Mayhem-Chan

blindVigil said:

I don't agree with this. Sure we don't want people using it as just a replacement for rape cum_in_pussy, but what sense does it make to arbitrarily exclude posts that objectively meet the criteria of the tag? All that would do is increase the number of posts that get wrongly tagged, and wouldn't do anything to stop people from tagging it on every instance of rape. It makes the tag worse to no benefit.

I want to remind i personally wasn't not in favor of the tag in the first place, but a niche use for which there is currently no tag has been pointed out with post post #5739550;
however, for those posts to remain searchable and not get drowned within the mass of stuff that's already searchable under rape cum_in_pussy (or "cum_in_ass"), then it needs to precisely exclude rape, which i agree, is isn't gonna happen given it's current name really does make it an inevitability it's going to be tagged on those (as it already has been), so the only solution i see is renaming it to something like accidental creampie

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blindVigil

Mayhem-Chan said:

I want to remind i personally wasn't not in favor of the tag in the first place, but a niche use for which there is currently no tag has been pointed out with post post #5739550;
however, for those posts to remain searchable and not get drowned within the mass of stuff that's already searchable under rape cum_in_pussy (or "cum_in_ass"), then it needs to precisely exclude rape, which i agree, is isn't gonna happen given it's current name really does make it an inevitability it's going to be tagged on those (as it already has been), so the only solution i see is renaming it to something like accidental creampie

I feel like you're missing the point. There are examples of this trope that can be found under rape. Why would we exclude those? Excluding those isn't going to stop people from misusing it, it's just going to make valid examples not searchable because we're adding pointless arbitrary conditions.

What we don't want is people adding it to every post #6689518 because it is, by the definition of rape, an "unwanted creampie". That doesn't mean actual examples should be excluded just because they're tagged rape.

And accidental creampie wouldn't work because it could just as easily be obviously intentional even in an otherwise consensual context.

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Mayhem-Chan

blindVigil said:

I feel like you're missing the point. There are examples of this trope that can be found under rape. Why would we exclude those? Excluding those isn't going to stop people from misusing it, it's just going to make valid examples not searchable because we're adding pointless arbitrary conditions.

What we don't want is people adding it to every post #6689518 because it is, by the definition of rape, an "unwanted creampie". That doesn't mean actual examples should be excluded just because they're tagged rape.

And accidental creampie wouldn't work because it could just as easily be obviously intentional even in an otherwise consensual context.

I mean, if we have to take into account plausible intention then any of the stuff to fall under accidental creampie can be tagged rape instead by this logic.
And the point of my previous argument is that the possible validity of the tag relies solely on the instances you wouldn't tag rape like post #5739550, if you start including it then that's not very different from trying to search for post #5739550 with any other combination of existing tags, that is to say it will just once again be drowned in a sea of other stuff that is already easy to find. accidental creampie is the way around that, and i think the plausible intention you mentioned isn't really a valid argument when there are already several other tags that have the same issue of being prone to interpretation in practice, and rape, for example, is one of them since we know there's a fair share of posts where it cannot be proved whether it really is or isn't a rape scene because of how little context is given

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romanchoceur

The spirit of this tag is getting cummed inside against the receiver's will. Accidental creampie implies unwanted creampie, but it can also be intentional.

I went through and tagged about 30 more examples, and updated the description to also include the dread of an imminent unwanted creampie. I can see that being more iffy and will understand if it gets edited back out; it just fits with my version of this kink.

Almost all of the examples involve dialog (English or translated), so maybe that should be mentioned in the description.

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ElGranFracaso

Unwanted creampie is a natural counterpart to and opposite of requesting internal cumshot. Both tags are about one character explicitly communicating a preference for or against ejaculation inside their body. Both are common tropes in modern pornography of all media, and both have been hard to search for here. I recently argued for allowing requesting internal cumshot in topic #24953 precisely to improve searchability of that trope on Danbooru. Having unwanted creampie as well as requesting internal cumshot will further increase the searchability of both tropes.

With that in mind, do we want to rename one of the tags in order to maintain consistency? "Creampie" favors brevity, while "internal cumshot" favors clarity. I leaned toward clarity when creating the pro-creampie tag. I do not have a strong preference which we use, but consistency makes tagging easier to understand.

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