Unalias hair_cones from cone_hair_bun and later deprecate hair_cones

BUR #19329 has been rejected.

remove alias hair_cones -> cone_hair_bun

Previous topic: topic #21261

Despite the hair cones tag being aliased to cone hair bun to clarify that the cones have to be made of the person's hair, there was still a significant bulk of Anya posts with her hairpods still being incorrectly tagged as "cone hair bun"; the alias did nothing to mitigate this mistagging since people were likely still using the old name for tagging.

After removing the alias, deprecating the hair cones tag should mitigate at least some of the mistagging.

Jerr said:

Despite the hair cones tag being aliased to cone hair bun to clarify that the cones have to be made of the person's hair, there was still a significant bulk of Anya posts with her hairpods still being incorrectly tagged as "cone hair bun"; the alias did nothing to mitigate this mistagging since people were likely still using the old name for tagging.

That's like saying chun-li should be tagged with bun cover instead of double bun. cone hair bun and hairpods are not mutually exclusive, and as noted in the previous thread Anya has double hair cones.

nonamethanks said:

That's like saying chun-li should be tagged with bun cover instead of double bun. cone hair bun and hairpods are not mutually exclusive, and as noted in the previous thread Anya has double hair cones.

Interesting. I didn't think that Anya could possibly have hair bundled inside of her hairpods. I'd always assumed they were simply a clip-on accessory, given how small they are 🤷‍♀️?

nonamethanks said:

as noted in the previous thread Anya has double hair cones.

That example from the earlier thread actually suggests the opposite. In that chapter 1 scene the mangaka clearly depicts the hair being tightened and pulled into the buns, which is something they do not do in here present hair style with the cone ornaments.

Additionally the hair the was used to form the bun is clearly shown to be the same hair that belongs to her sidelocks, which are absent when she has the hair buns.

Jerr said:

Despite the hair cones tag being aliased to cone hair bun to clarify that the cones have to be made of the person's hair, there was still a significant bulk of Anya posts with her hairpods still being incorrectly tagged as "cone hair bun"; the alias did nothing to mitigate this mistagging since people were likely still using the old name for tagging.

This doesn't happen because of aliases. It happens because the way uploaders tag is by picking the character, opening the related tags, then clicking everything in the list. It literally doesn't matter what a tag is called, once enough people use it on a character everyone else will blindly copy it.

This is why I hate all these topics that are like "let's rename this tag to this other more cumbersome name to prevent people from misusing it". Putting the garbage in a different pile doesn't make the garbage magically go away. Renaming a tag to something else doesn't do anything if you don't actually clean up the tag. Which people usually don't do. So we end up with worse names for tags that are still being used the same way they always were.

evazion said:

This doesn't happen because of aliases. It happens because the way uploaders tag is by picking the character, opening the related tags, then clicking everything in the list. It literally doesn't matter what a tag is called, once enough people use it on a character everyone else will blindly copy it.

This is why I hate all these topics that are like "let's rename this tag to this other more cumbersome name to prevent people from misusing it". Putting the garbage in a different pile doesn't make the garbage magically go away. Renaming a tag to something else doesn't do anything if you don't actually clean up the tag. Which people usually don't do. So we end up with worse names for tags that are still being used the same way they always were.

I see, basically just people blindly using tags without looking up the proper usage.

The bulk update request #19329 (forum #251588) has been rejected by @Jerr.

GreyOmega4K said:

That example from the earlier thread actually suggests the opposite. In that chapter 1 scene the mangaka clearly depicts the hair being tightened and pulled into the buns, which is something they do not do in here present hair style with the cone ornaments.

Additionally the hair the was used to form the bun is clearly shown to be the same hair that belongs to her sidelocks, which are absent when she has the hair buns.

It depends on the artist. Something like post #5343203 or post #5285300 is clearly hard covers for hair cones.

nonamethanks said:

It depends on the artist. Something like post #5343203 or post #5285300 is clearly hard covers for hair cones.

I am not going to argue the intentions of fanartists' interpretations, but my argument is specifically that the original author and illustrator of the manga very clearly drew details when Anya had obvious hair buns with the details showing how the hair pulled toward the buns and the long sidelocks are absent. When Anya is shown with the "covers" in her present hair style, there is now no detail the hair is drawn into a bun and she does have long sidelocks showing the original design would indicate she has no hair buns under those "covers."