Rename all FGO summer chartags + Osakabehime

BUR #18958 has been rejected.

forum #249700.

nonamethanks said:

If this is yet another case of our Fate tags deviating from common sense, then they should be fixed to reflect what the skins are actually called in-game. There's no point in forcing this kind of consistency when nobody but us is following it.

Most don't overlap with their original versions and qualified servant classes, but some summer versions of FGO servants are exactly the same class as their OG, like BB and Abigail, which are qualified with (Summer) ingame. Others have appeared in the same class in other TM works, like Musashi (a berserker in Samurai Remnant) and Okita Alter Saber (Devil Saber in KOHA-ACE). Some servants could appear again, someday, in the same class as their summer counterpart, but that's an if. Only Danbooru uses the swimsuit qualifier, though it might help people unfamiliar with Fate in searches.

Artoria_pendragon_(alter_swimsuit_rider)_(fate) is called Artoria Pendragon Alter (Rider) ingame, while the santa version, which is also a rider, is named Artoria Pendragon (Santa Alter). Since we have Santa Alter, I requested aliasing the summer version's tag to artoria_pendragon_(alter_rider)_(fate).

Samurai Remnant's berserker Musashi has different costumes from her FGO counterparts, so I requested changing the (swimsuit_berserker) qualifier to (summer) instead.

The Devil Saber mentioned above is the original Okita Alter, it was a joke character created to later appear in FGO as okita_souji_alter_(fate) (an alter ego class), so I also requested changing the (swimsuit_saber) qualifier to (summer) instead.

BUR #18959 has been rejected.

2nd part of the BUR.
EDIT: Included osakabe-hime_(fate), but I'd prefer to focus on the tags for the summer servants in this thread.

Sessyoin_Kiara said:

Artoria_pendragon_(alter_swimsuit_rider)_(fate) is called Artoria Pendragon Alter (Rider) ingame, while the santa version, which is also a rider, is named Artoria Pendragon (Santa Alter). Since we have Santa Alter, I requested aliasing the summer version's tag to artoria_pendragon_(alter_rider)_(fate).

Why not artoria_pendragon_alter_(rider)_(fate) exactly as ingame? Seems odd to make a BUR specifically for correcting deviations just to maintain a particular deviation.

On the subject of Osakabehime, shouldn't she be renamed to exclude the dash from her name? I have not seen anywhere in-game that includes said dash.

blindVigil said:

Why not artoria_pendragon_alter_(rider)_(fate) exactly as ingame? Seems odd to make a BUR specifically for correcting deviations just to maintain a particular deviation.

I forgot to mention she's named アルトリア・ペンドラゴン〔オルタ〕with the class below the name on the JP server, but yeah, gotta correct this.

MegaFlare said:

On the subject of Osakabehime, shouldn't she be renamed to exclude the dash from her name? I have not seen anywhere in-game that includes said dash.

Yes, thank you for pointing it out.

Sessyoin_Kiara said:
Yes, thank you for pointing it out.

Should probably also extend this to her original Assassin version as well.

Is this ready to be approved? Anyone holding back errors they were gonna reveal only after I approve this?

An error I found now is that Anastasia (archer) is actually named Anastasia & Viy. JP; US.

I think it's better to wait, I expected people to say something about Okita Alter, Musashi and the requests in general.

Sessyoin_Kiara said:

An error I found now is that Anastasia (archer) is actually named Anastasia & Viy.

This is why I think religiously following in-game names for the tags is a bad idea. We risk having something more confusing than helpful.

nonamethanks said:

If this is yet another case of our Fate tags deviating from common sense, then they should be fixed to reflect what the skins are actually called in-game. There's no point in forcing this kind of consistency when nobody but us is following it.

I'd agree with this if it were pretty much any other franchise; but here I think removing the swimsuit qualifier in all the tags is a wrong move specifically because this is Fate and at this point the Fate franchise is exactly the kind of godforsaken mess where you'd definitely end up with the same character having two different versions with the same class, one being a summer swimsuit and one being something else.
See Musashi or Okitan which did have to get a "Summer" qualifier anyway; that's without getting into the territory of characters that have a completely different/specific name for their summer variant, like Anastasia or Proto Merlin.

imo this moves from a standard that works always [(alter)_swimsuit_class] to a less consistent one that only works "most of the time" and needs exceptions for when it doesn't.

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The bulk update request #18958 (forum #250218) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #18959 (forum #250219) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

I agree with Astolfo. I still don't agree with the BURs, except for renaming Osakabe-hime to Osakabehime.

BUR #20172 has been approved by @evazion.

Following up on the above: the dash in her name has no real reason to be there? Unless this is based on some Danbooru tagging/romanizing convention of some kind, her name is always written without a dash in-game, on Fate wikis, etc cf. her official video introduction

The bulk update request #20172 (forum #255423) has been approved by @evazion.