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deprecate european_clothes

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BUR #17264 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

deprecate european_clothes

this tag is waaaay too broad to be useful; just read its truly e621-tier wiki (too long to even quote pull) and you'll understand. unlike its sisters chinese clothes or japanese clothes, this does not refer to types of garments distinctive of a certain culture, but instead a whole continent of cultures. dutch clothes, italian clothes, polish clothes, etc. etc. are all technically also european clothes, but describe their individual garments far better by themselves. most people probably can't look at a random post and go "yep those are alsatian clothes," but that's no reason not to lock this all-encompassing padding tag; leave gardening to the knowers™.

upon a casual stroll through european clothes's very first page you might find victorian-era fashion, medieval knights, princess peach, french maids, french military uniforms, and even... vikings!?

Going through the tag's history, you can clearly tell what the original intent for the tag was, and how it went downhill fast. Created in 2010, its purpose was for tagging early modern formal (aristocratic) clothes or clothes derived from it, as seen in post #589040, post #448825, post #580751, post #904918, post #910486, post #1410312, post #1651362, post #1601929, etc. Around 2014 and 2015 is when it starts heavily deviating from this intended use (likely due to a lack of a wiki), as it begins getting tagged on traditional clothes by one set of users, and on fantasy clothes, including armor, by one user specifically (which then leads others to follow in his lead). Both these trends snowball and bring us to 2020, when the tag gets its famously broad wiki, and a mass contingent of member-level users gardening the tag for the last couple of years.

All on board for deprecating the tag, but do we have a substitute tag for the kind of early modern formal wear this tag was created for that isn't gothic lolita?

Damian0358 said:

its purpose was for tagging early modern formal (aristocratic) clothes

aristocratic clothes would have been a better name then.
Explicit tags FTW!

There might be a point in tagging ancient root styles: asian, african, polynesian, south american etc.
Or by weather: cold, desert, rain…

do we have a substitute tag

Can't find any in tag_group:attire#traditional or related to "aristocrat".
But that group is not all complete (classifying clothes is hard).

Note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocrat_(fashion)

Japanese street fashion that is inspired by what is thought to have been worn by middle class and higher social status Europeans in the Middle Ages, as well as the upper class in the 19th century.

Musaran said:

aristocratic clothes would have been a better name then.

Note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocrat_(fashion)

Yeah, I suppose unless someone can pitch a better name, aristocratic clothes does seem to be the best potential alternative for posts featuring clothes like that. Though now that you've highlighted Aristocrat fashion, now I'm kind of concerned, because a less cutesy/lolita gothic fashion would be, to the average tagger, near indistinguishable from actual early modern formal (aristocratic) clothes. If an aristocratic clothes tag were created, how would you be able to discern it from gothic?

Been chipping away at the tag and created the proposed aristocratic clothes. There's about 19 posts left under the tag, 7 of which I cannot access. The remainder are all traditional clothes, or something resembling it, which I'm horrible at ID'ing.

I would appreciate some help in dealing with these last posts, as well as for someone to double-check my tag gardening in general, in case there's something I may have missed.

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