With "derived from centaur" I did not mean it literally, I mean it concept/thermwise. The concept of Centaur is what came first and inspired the existence of Centauroid. The Wikitionary link also supports my point. Resembling a centaur =/= Being a centaur, and that the concept is based on Centaurs. Arachnes and other insect people doesn't resemble Centaurs at all, similarly to how insects doesn't look similar to quadruped animals, that's how I see it. However, I see a logic in tagging insect people as centauroid, due to heir upper body being where would tipically be the head of the insect/monster part, but I'm still afraid of it overloading the tag with insect people in comparison to quadruped-based centauroids that resemble centaurs more. I'm still -1 to implying Centaur to Centauroid for these reasons.
This is one of those cases where the utility of the tag needs to supercede the textbook definition of the English words. Especially when dealing with the umbrella of Monster Girls, which is a fetish tag not exactly beholden to common language itself.
If you're worried about insect parts, we already tag some arthropod_girl images as centauroids. 7HS' wiki idea there is great. An umbrella tag for this kind of stuff would be useful.
How about adding a new tag for quadrupeds? Either "quadruped" itself, or four_legs (it could be considered a subset of multiple legs.)
Might be approaching tag overkill here, given that all centaurs could end up tagged "centaur centauroid four_legs multiple_legs monster_girl" or something like that, but every tag seems to cover a distinct concept that objectively applies to them.
centauroid -arthropod_girl would be equivalent to a "quadruped" tag. Keep in mind that if we make a tag just called "quadruped", people WILL use it for animals too.
Wouldn't the ramifications of including centaur and arachne into the centauroid tag mean it becomes significantly harder for users to search for non-arachne and non-centaur centauroids in searches?
Centauroid currently is 385 posts (of which 9 are also tagged centaur and 11 arachne) Centaur is 1,104 posts (81 post overlap with arachne) Arachne is 671 posts 2,059 total posts
Once combined though non-centaur and non-arachne posts account only 19% of images, and now you're forced to use at least two negative searches to remove them from the results.
I believe the purpose of centauroid was to enable ease of searching for centaur-like creatures that were not one of the more main stream types, once you include major types into the tag that functionality is lost. I have no particular issue with having a parent tag for all centaur-like beings (and making centauroid that parent tag if need be), but at the same time we do also need a tag to broadly cover the irregular centaur-like being as well that aren't the mainstream to aid when searching.
If we make an additional parent tag I'm about 99% sure people will just end up using that instead of centauroid, moving the issue instead of eliminating it. What would be the name of that tag, "taur"?
If we make an additional parent tag I'm about 99% sure people will just end up using that instead of centauroid, moving the issue instead of eliminating it. What would be the name of that tag, "taur"?
It's certainly possible, but if worse comes to worse we could then alias centauroid to the parent and revert it back to your original idea pretty easily.
As for naming, since you were looking for an alternative to taur, perhaps "centaurian:[alternative definition (alternative definition)? It is defined as "resembling or of the nature of a centaur."
Wouldn't the ramifications of including centaur and arachne into the centauroid tag mean it becomes significantly harder for users to search for non-arachne and non-centaur centauroids in searches?
Centauroid currently is 385 posts (of which 9 are also tagged centaur and 11 arachne) Centaur is 1,104 posts (81 post overlap with arachne) Arachne is 671 posts 2,059 total posts
Once combined though non-centaur and non-arachne posts account only 19% of images, and now you're forced to use at least two negative searches to remove them from the results.
I believe the purpose of centauroid was to enable ease of searching for centaur-like creatures that were not one of the more main stream types, once you include major types into the tag that functionality is lost. I have no particular issue with having a parent tag for all centaur-like beings (and making centauroid that parent tag if need be), but at the same time we do also need a tag to broadly cover the irregular centaur-like being as well that aren't the mainstream to aid when searching.
Yes, this is the exact problem I was addressing to and worried about. And a taur tag having Centaur, Centauroid, Arachne implied to it doesn't sound bad.
If we make an additional parent tag I'm about 99% sure people will just end up using that instead of centauroid, moving the issue instead of eliminating it. What would be the name of that tag, "taur"?
Problem is taur just means bull. Centaur probably originally meant bull hunter, though for our purposes the problem with confusing it with minotaur seems more likely.
Centaurians are of course humanoid aliens in the Marvel universe, from Alpha Centauri.
English and Latin has all these fancy terms for things but nothing for four legs and two arms. ☻
Centaurians are of course humanoid aliens in the Marvel universe, from Alpha Centauri.
Can't say their naming choice is good either, as what would they call aliens from Beta Centauri or Gamma Centauri? There is more than one Centauri system out there. (Edit: If the star is within the constellation Centaurus the star is generally going to have Centauri in the name).
For now, umbrella tag for Centaur, Centauroid, Arachne seems the best idea in my opinion because it can gather all monsters girls/boys with a body like that, including cases like post #4021268 which doesn't fit in any of the three previous categories, at the same time keeping them separate so it is easy to search each without needing multiple tags, specially for the quadruped-based Centauroids that resemble Centaurs.
And if we were to make this umbrella tag, what name would be better than Taur? It sounds more neutral and general as this tag needs (remember how much different Centaurs and Arachnes are, but they fall into this Taur body type), it's basically the same approach and tag name e621 use for them, because they had the same issue we are having right now. Wikipedia defines Taur as "A class of fictional hybrid creatures with a humanoid upper part and four-legged animal lower part" which is the exact subject of this topic. Yes, Taur means bull in some languages, but this is the more modern meaning for this word in this context. We definitely don't need a taur tag for bulls on the other hand.
Then we should make this umbrella tag just taur. It's clear enough to be well understood in the community, and I think it's necessary. If it's wrong we can get a linguist to talk to a taxonomist to come up with a new word for this type of beings. Or we could simply alias it to a different name at another time. Also, @nonamethanks said they'd be okay with it.
Alright, I've modified the BUR to imply all three tags to "taur". I don't like it, I am sure it'll just end up with people using "taur" instead of "centauroid", but it's better than the current situation and we can always fix it at a later date.
What are the definitions of taur and centauroid then? It sounds like they're something like this:
centauroid: a human-animal hybrid with a human upper half and a four-legged animal lower half. Like a centaur, but for other animals like cows or deer.
taur: a human-animal hybrid with a human upper half and an animal lower half, having any number of legs, but not including mermaids or lamias.
What are the definitions of taur and centauroid then? It sounds like they're something like this:
centauroid: a human-animal hybrid with a human upper half and a four-legged animal lower half.
taur: a human-animal hybrid with a human upper half and an animal lower half, having any number of legs, but not including mermaids or lamias.
Both by definition require the animal half to be an entire animal/monster body save for head/neck. Consider for example arachnes, they're just spiders with a woman torso where the head of the spider should be. A bird taur would be something like this.
