Donmai

rename football -> american_football

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I would propose an alias over a renaming if we’re going to do this. Terminology on the site should favor NA wording and not using an alias would making it harder for NA users finding the right tag.

Will also point out that American football can be technically wrong to use as the label, since Canadian Football uses the same equipment but some of the rules are different, so using the term that specifically only refers to US football (and therefore US rules) would be wrong.

nonamethanks said:

I just have no idea what else to call it.

  • Pigskin. Should be also known as such, at least google image search returns similar results. Dunno if it is better name, but should probably be an alias in either direction.
  • Rugby ball. It has minor differences from american football ball (some aerodynamic BS). Right now quite a lot of posts under rugby_ball are american football balls.
  • Ovoid ball. More generic but less known way to call these balls.
  • Prolate spheroid

NWF_Renim said:

I would propose an alias over a renaming if we’re going to do this. Terminology on the site should favor NA wording and not using an alias would making it harder for NA users finding the right tag.

A disambiguation wiki would take care of finding the right tag. Not aliasing football will make it easier to clean mistaggings.

The terms "Gridiron Football" or "North American Football" might be more appropriate to use than American Football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_football

Gridiron football, also known as North American football or, in North America, simply football, is a family of football team sports primarily played in the United States and Canada. American football, which uses 11-player teams, is the form played in the United States and the best known form of gridiron football worldwide, while Canadian football, featuring 12-player teams, predominates in Canada. Other derivative varieties include indoor football and Arena football, football for smaller teams (most commonly eight players), and informal games such as touch and flag football. Football is played at professional, collegiate, high school, semi-professional, and amateur levels.

These sports originated in the 19th century out of older games related to modern rugby football, more specifically rugby union football. American and Canadian football developed alongside (but independently from) each other and were originally more distinct before Canadian teams adopted features of the American game. Both varieties are distinguished from other football sports by their use of hard plastic helmets and shoulder pads, the forward pass, the system of downs, a number of unique rules and positions, measurement in customary units of yards (even in Canada, which mostly metricated in the 1970s, yards are still used), and a distinctive brown leather ball in the shape of a prolate spheroid with pointed ends.

In this case I think it's better to go with the common name than with the "official" one. Calling it "gridiron football" means anyone wanting to use the tag would have to go spelunking in the wiki to find it, and an alias instead of a rename means people who are not aware of american football (which I expect is something a lot of non-anglo users have never heard of) will just keep using the football tag, because it's short enough and small enough that it's at the end of the autocomplete due to all the other foot* tags, and just faster to write manually.

nonamethanks said:

In this case I think it's better to go with the common name than with the "official" one. Calling it "gridiron football" means anyone wanting to use the tag would have to go spelunking in the wiki to find it, and an alias instead of a rename means people who are not aware of american football (which I expect is something a lot of non-anglo users have never heard of) will just keep using the football tag, because it's short enough and small enough that it's at the end of the autocomplete due to all the other foot* tags, and just faster to write manually.

I did include an OR in there you know, I'm honestly more in favor of North American Football than Gridiron.

NWF_Renim said:

I did include an OR in there you know, I'm honestly more in favor of North American Football than Gridiron.

To me it makes no difference between north american vs american, I just used american because it's the one I knew but I have no issues if we decide to go with that instead.

NWF_Renim said:

The terms "Gridiron Football" or "North American Football" might be more appropriate to use than American Football.

Good point. "American football" is by far the most common thing that I've heard it called, but "gridiron football" is more general. I've never heard the term "North American football".

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