Why is the "sex" tag defined as penile penetration?

That's complete nonsense to define "sex" in a generic sense as "vaginal or anal penetration by a penis".

Several searches (like "sex yaoi -anal", "dildo sex", "sex yuri -futanari") shows it's used in thousands of images in ways that don't fit that definition.

The current definition should be used for something like "penile_penetration". I honestly don't think we need a generic "sex" tag; it should just be an "ambiguous tag" wiki page, like what "penetration" is now, which includes a link to tag_group:sex_acts.

I'm going to go ahead and say that regardless of where we fall on this discussion, sex as an umbrella term is SUPER helpful for blacklisting and definitely deserves to exist.

Elfaleon said:

I'm going to go ahead and say that regardless of where we fall on this discussion, sex as an umbrella term is SUPER helpful for blacklisting and definitely deserves to exist.

This is very much true, in addition to the site keeping a parallel definition that just does not comport to how the rest of society uses the term. From the exhaustive amounts of "mistagging" such as using the tag on yuri content and others, it's not being maintained as according to the wiki.

chilled_sake said:

Using the tag on yuri

mass update sex yuri -> -sex yuri

might be one possible solution, but...

I don't see an issue with the tags current definition, I think it should be cleaned up rather than changed to something different.

I think the original suggestion is good, to rename the current sex tag to penile_penetration. that could then imply a broader sex tag used for all forms of sex

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

mass update sex yuri -> -sex yuri

might be one possible solution, but...

This is not an acceptable solution, as there's pictures with both depicted. (like post #2346407).

We could at least rename the tag but keep "sex" as a redirect so it's misused less often.

I'll stick with common sense. Sex is for vaginal or anal penetration by a penis, not for lesbian acts. I've edited the wiki page to include these.

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

I've edited the wiki page to include these.

I think i already told you this, but please don't jump the gun and change wikis during an ongoing argument, wait until a consensus has been reached or we would have to lock the wiki page otherwise.

I agree with having sex as umbrella term, and change the act of penetrating vagina/anus//additional holes as penile_penetration. (By the way, does oral count?)

Mysterious_Uploader said:

I agree with having sex as umbrella term, and change the act of penetrating vagina/anus//additional holes as penile_penetration. (By the way, does oral count?)

Including oral defeats the purpose of having separate tags for vaginal/anal sex and fellatio, doesn't it? If we're trying to rename it without changing the definition as well, we'd have to exclude oral as before, which would still leave the name ambiguous. Penile penetration by name would include any form of penetration involving a penis, even when it wouldn't be considered "sex".

Also, honestly, if we do rename it, penile penetration is an ugly choice, imo.

blindVigil said:

Also, honestly, if we do rename it, penile penetration is an ugly choice, imo.

I agree. It's both ambiguous and ugly.

Given the popularity of the term "sex" I don't think it's in our best interest to get rid of the tag. There's no point in removing a tag only for it to shoot up to the top of missed searches every day forever.

If the issue is the name being ambiguous, renaming it something like "intercourse" would satisfy the purpose of the tag.

.Dank said:

If the issue is the name being ambiguous, renaming it something like "intercourse" would satisfy the purpose of the tag.

"Oral intercourse" is a thing too, so it wouldn't solve anything to rename it to a synonym of sex.

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

I'll stick with common sense. Sex is for vaginal or anal penetration by a penis, not for lesbian acts. I've edited the wiki page to include these.

that's commonsense? I've always seen lesbian acts considered as sex

.Dank said:

If the issue is the name being ambiguous, renaming it something like "intercourse" would satisfy the purpose of the tag.

I prefer this to penile penetration

nonamethanks said:

"Oral intercourse" is a thing too, so it wouldn't solve anything to rename it to a synonym of sex.

there is also oral 'sex'

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

I'll stick with common sense.

In what world is that "common sense"?

Unbreakable said:

I don't see an issue with the tags current definition, I think it should be cleaned up rather than changed to something different.

thatother1dude said:

We could at least rename the tag but keep "sex" as a redirect so it's misused less often.

The issue with defining a tag as something other than what is used in general parlance is it'll inevitable have a large amount of mistagging as a result. People don't use "sex" exclusively for penetration by penis, so defining it to mean such here makes no sense.

.Dank said:

If the issue is the name being ambiguous, renaming it something like "intercourse" would satisfy the purpose of the tag.

"intercourse" is just as ambiguous since they're just synonyms ultimately. The issue is the definition is wrong, not what it is named.

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

I'll stick with common sense. Sex is for vaginal or anal penetration by a penis

Even among sex acts that involve a penis, how in the world is it "common sense" that non-vaginal acts (like fellatio and thigh_sex) are not "sex", but anal sex still is?

blindVigil said:

Including oral defeats the purpose of having separate tags for vaginal/anal sex and fellatio, doesn't it?

You could say the same about the current "sex" tag including both vaginal and anal.

Well this whole thing is just silly. Go ahead look up sexual intercourse. It's literally anything under the sun that involves any kind of insertion during physical intimacy.

thatother1dude said:

You could say the same about the current "sex" tag including both vaginal and anal.

It includes both because anal and vaginal by themselves aren't limited to acts involving a penis. There's no other way to exclusively search for those forms of sex without a tag dedicated to them, and there's little reason to separate them when they share many of the same positions and the only difference is the hips meeting at a slightly different angle.

I would rather not change the tag and I´m fine with how it is handeld. But I understand that it could lead to alot of mistagging, because as a normal internet user, I would say that people who search for sex don´t especially think about what they want to see. I don´t think that they´re mad when they see lesbians or oral. If they would want to see vaginal or anal, they would search for that.
So I wouldn´t mind if it´s changed in a tagable way that´s not to clunky. But what I disagree with is the tag you want to use. Penile penetration is something most wouldn´t use and I guess that as a tagging habit, I would be forgotten on most images, where only the umbrella tag would be used - sex. I don´t have a better suggestion, as intercourse was debunked I guess, but I´m open for something else.