Lab coat -> coat implication

BUR #2940 has been rejected.

create implication labcoat -> coat

A labcoat is a type of coat
∴ it shoulder implicate the latter.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2940 (forum #168604) has been rejected by @evazion.

-1. As noted by the coat wiki: "Coats are made from thick material, therefore they have weight." Labcoats are typically pretty light material, and most danbooru depictions commonly show them more with a thickness similar to a shirt.

Lab coats are more similar to raincoats, in that they're designed to protect the underlying clothes instead of retaining any sort of warmth. Lab coats are merely meant to stop or slow chemicals or liquids from reaching skin and clothing beneath them and give time for the wearer to remove the lab coat for safety.

Lab coats are more similar to raincoats, in that they're designed to protect the underlying clothes

The coat wiki says "A long garment worn for warmth, protection or fashion.", and lab coats fall under the purpose of protection in that definition. Many images tagged coat also depict them with a likeness to a thinner sort of material similar to shirts too. e.g. post #3966316, post #3968700, post #3953732, and post #3949653

A coat should primarily be dictated by length as opposed to thickness or purpose. Not all coats are worn for the sole purpose of warmth and have a considerable thickness to that end, so they also should include the types listed on the wiki like lab coats and not exclusively ones like winter coat, no?

fffhund said:

A coat should primarily be dictated by length as opposed to thickness or purpose.

Coats can be short. Jackets can be long. Redefining these tags to be based on length alone is a drastic oversimplification that would render them practically useless for distinguishing between different types of garments.

I still don't think labcoats (like raincoats) should implicate the coat tag. The nature and depiction of the outfit imo is generally different enough from the rest of what would go under the coat tag that it would just add unnecessary noise to the coat tag. Additionally I would not want this to result in encouraging someone else then trying to use this as a justification to tag labcoats with the white_coat tag and noise up/flood that tag simply because labcoats would be tagged coat.

NWF_Renim said:

I still don't think labcoats (like raincoats) should implicate the coat tag. The nature and depiction of the outfit imo is generally different enough from the rest of what would go under the coat tag that it would just add unnecessary noise to the coat tag. Additionally I would not want this to result in encouraging someone else then trying to use this as a justification to tag labcoats with the white_coat tag and noise up/flood that tag simply because labcoats would be tagged coat.

+1

This might be for a separate topic, but what about long coats? Example would be Ogin from Girls Und Panzer (example: Offical site).

The form is more like a labcoat, and it's very often depicted as being open as well, so it seems like it's not necessarily a coat either.

BrokenEagle98 said:

This might be for a separate topic, but what about long coats? Example would be Ogin from Girls Und Panzer (example: Offical site).

The form is more like a labcoat, and it's very often depicted as being open as well, so it seems like it's not necessarily a coat either.

Long coats like dusters or trench coats though are generally of thicker material than labcoats though, and are meant to protect against the weather, which labcoats aren't. I think they probably still qualify as "coats" in general. On this topic though, is there any reason those three shouldn't be aliased together? They seem to basically be describing the same garment.

Trench coats are more formal, and almost always have a belt which ties down the center, as well as having a flap-down collar.

The bulk update request #2940 (forum #168604) has been rejected by @evazion.

Looks like the consensus is against this, but I can't say I agree with it. Saying a labcoat isn't a coat means we can't use tags like naked coat, open coat, or coat removed with it. It also implies we can't use naked coat for other similar things like raincoats or trench coats either.

Every time the subject of jackets and coats gets brought up, people argue for a very narrow definition of coat that would basically only include winter coats. I don't agree with this.

evazion said:

Looks like the consensus is against this, but I can't say I agree with it. Saying a labcoat isn't a coat means we can't use tags like naked coat, open coat, or coat removed with it. It also implies we can't use naked coat for other similar things like raincoats or trench coats either.

Every time the subject of jackets and coats gets brought up, people argue for a very narrow definition of coat that would basically only include winter coats. I don't agree with this.

It just feels like an extremely unnecessary complication for taggers. A thing with coat in the name isn't a coat? The wikis for labcoat and raincoat even explicitly say they're coats when describing them, but they're not coats for the purposes of tagging?

If the only thing that's allowed to be a coat is a winter coat, then we don't even need a generic coat tag. The two tags basically serve the same purpose as far as this thread is concerned.

blindVigil said:

It just feels like an extremely unnecessary complication for taggers. A thing with coat in the name isn't a coat? The wikis for labcoat and raincoat even explicitly say they're coats when describing them, but they're not coats for the purposes of tagging?

If this is a continued issue, I propose renaming raincoat to rainwear, given that the tag is already also being used for things like rain ponchos and rain jackets.

I've also changed the wiki for labcoat referring to it as a smock (a light loose garment worn especially for protection of clothing while working), which is exactly what it is and shares similarity to other types of smocks like a painter's smock.