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artist #199836
artist #199828
artist #199827
artist #199818
artist #199814
artist #199808
artist #199805
These are just in the last 24 hours.
I chalked it up to new users inexperienced in the site and was deleting them. But on further review, some of these were made by Builders, unrestricted uploaders, and/or accounts over a decade old. Is there some rationale I'm missing here?
Arcana55 said:
... new users inexperienced in the site ...
I'm sure that's the cause for some of them. I've made some 0-count artist entries before, but I left none of them empty for long. It could be that some of the people creating these intend to upload works from these artists sometime in the future, but have a backlog of stuff they want to upload first or something.
Speaking of which, could you explain to me the motivation for deleting them? The data isn't expunged from the site, so it's not saving space. In the artist wiki search page there's a field labelled "Has tag?" which is specifically for this type of wiki entry, so they can be excluded from any search.
Keep in mind that with userscripts like topic #14673 and others it's possible to see an artist's danbooru entry right from art sites like twitter and pixiv. Some users might just be creating them in advance to upload from the artist later on, or as a mean to keep track of artists that are unknown to danbooru.
I don't see a big problem with creating empty artist tags. The artist name automatically appears on the upload page, which could be helpful when someone uploads art from that artist later on. It would be even better if someone creates an artist tag listing multiple websites from that artist, to save the trouble of looking for them later.
On the other hand, if the artist has even 1 post worth uploading, then maybe it would be best to upload it after all. If an artist has 0 posts worth uploading, then they probably don't need an artist tag.
Sometimes I've created a new artist tag and then uploaded a post seconds later, so I guess the new artist tag would seem "empty" for a few seconds. At least once, someone else deleted the new artist tag when that happened, so I had to undelete it.
Well for myself at least, I catalog all of an artist's information (URLs, other names) in a text file in the same directory that I save their images to. When revisiting those images at a later date, I have everything that I need to create an artist entry and upload the image, even if the artist has deleted it and all of their accounts in the meantime. I'm not proposing that that's how it should be done, but that it's an alternate method to do the same thing.
Zurreak said:
...Speaking of which, could you explain to me the motivation for deleting them? The data isn't expunged from the site, so it's not saving space. In the artist wiki search page there's a field labelled "Has tag?" which is specifically for this type of wiki entry, so they can be excluded from any search.
Well, Danbooru is an image board. The artist DB and other functions like tags or pools exist in support of that role, not as ends in and of themselves. In that sense, artist entries with no posts, like unused tags or empty pools, serve no purpose and just add clutter. That's just my opinion.
To add, I think that "delete" should mean "delete" and not "hide and retain indefinitely", but that's a moot point.
Arcana55 said:
Well, Danbooru is an image board. The artist DB and other functions like tags or pools exist in support of that role, not as ends in and of themselves. In that sense, artist entries with no posts, like unused tags or empty pools, serve no purpose and just add clutter. That's just my opinion.
To add, I think that "delete" should mean "delete" and not "hide and retain indefinitely", but that's a moot point.
Empty pools aren't useful, but an empty artist entry can become useful if someone uploads from that artist later. Going to the trouble of deleting artist entries that have been inactive for under 1 day is in and of itself unnecessary. Deleting them after a reasonable time delay, similar to inactive aliases, would be a better route.
Arcana55 said:
To add, I think that "delete" should mean "delete" and not "hide and retain indefinitely", but that's a moot point.
The opinion of myself, the site administrator, and many on this site, is that the destruction of data serves no purpose and is actually counterproductive unless the destruction of said data is absolutely necessary, which is not the case for artist entries.
feline_lump said:
Deleting them after a reasonable time delay, similar to inactive aliases, would be a better route.
As far as "deleting" aliases goes, they are NOT actually deleted. They are only marked either as Deleted or Retired.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/tag_aliases?commit=Search&search%5Bstatus%5D=Deleted
https://danbooru.donmai.us/tag_aliases?commit=Search&search%5Bstatus%5D=Retired
