Donmai

Pokémon: Maybe merge Touya/Black, Touko/White, Kyouhei/Lack-Two and Mei/Whi-Two?

Posted under Tags

Danielx21

Based on "tag what you see", these characters are basically identical. One name is used in the games, the other name is used in the manga.

I mean, there are sometimes a few context differences. Like, if Whi-Two is wearing a Team Plasma uniform it's most certainly a manga thing, not a game thing. But in most cases, even her clothes are the same in the games and the manga. Often the only "difference" is that the artist mentioned in the commentary "I'm drawing Whi-Two" or used tags like "#whi-two".

I think at some point years ago I tried to properly separate these character tags based on the manga/game context. But anyway, these tags are a bit messy right now. (I mean, there are posts using these tags in an inconsistent manner.) Case in point: post #3380430 is specifically about the manga. I know it because the "PKSP" (an abbreviation for the manga title) appears, otherwise the characters would be identical in either the games or the manga. But for some reason 3 characters are using manga name tags and 1 character is using the game name tag. That obviously can be fixed by just removing the game name and using the manga name if we want. But maybe just merging the names is better? There are a bunch of other posts with the same problem.

I can create a proper BUR to do it. I'm just checking if there's any discussion needed about it.

For comparison, some others characters have a single tag for Pokémon games/manga: red_(pokemon), ookido_green, etc.

We can search specific copyrights by just using copyright tags:

Reply
Danielx21

DreamFromTheLayer said:

We could leave it at that, but we could also make it so that all SP characters also have the character they were based on are also tag. So, someone searching for Mei would find Whi-two pictures and the Whi-two tag stays for people looking for the SP character.

I'm not entirely sure. I've been thinking about it. Maybe it could work. One side effect is that this would require using multiple tags for the same thing: So apparently all "Whi-Two" posts would be required to have not only whi-two_(pokemon) and pokemon_special, but also mei_(pokemon).

This idea is arguably kinda accurate, in that Whi-Two is always a reference to Mei, but Mei is often not necessarily a reference to Whi-Two.

In other words, this would be the suggested BUR:

imply black_(pokemon) -> touya_(pokemon)
imply white_(pokemon) -> touko_(pokemon)
imply lack-two_(pokemon) -> kyouhei_(pokemon)
imply whi-two_(pokemon) -> mei_(pokemon)

(To repeat, I didn't create a proper BUR yet because I'm going to wait and see if this needs any more discussion.)

Reply
AngryZapdos

This is something that's irritated me for a while now. Posts like post #3247016 and post #3247014 would, if not for the text in the image, be tagged with the game characters rather than the manga characters. The designs are almost identical and often they only differ in the fact that their eyes look different.

Implying the manga characters to their original game characters is a good solution - people looking for the manga characters will still be able to search for them, while people searching for the game characters won't miss results that are essentially exactly what they're trying to find. For posts containing both the manga and game characters together, we can simply use dual persona.

I fully support this.

Reply
Danielx21

BUR #2268 has been approved by @evazion.

create implication black_(pokemon) -> touya_(pokemon)
create implication white_(pokemon) -> touko_(pokemon)
create implication lack-two_(pokemon) -> kyouhei_(pokemon)
create implication whi-two_(pokemon) -> mei_(pokemon)
create implication tsurugi_soudo -> masaru_(pokemon)
create implication tate_shirudomiria -> yuuri_(pokemon)

Reason: Alright then, given the arguments above I support this as well. Here's the BUR.

EDIT: This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.

EDIT: This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2268 (forum #162847) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2268 (forum #162847) has been approved by @evazion.

Updated by DanbooruBot

Reply
BrokenEagle98
Danielx21

indexador2 said:

An implication won't merge them though. Maybe you're looking for an alias or mass update.

At first that was the case, but then the implication was discussed above. It's my understanding that at least DreamFromTheLayer and AngryZapdos support the implication. I support it too.

I did say "maybe" merge at the beginning.

Reply
Danielx21

indexador2 said:

Sorry, I hadn't read the rest of the thread

I do still think it's weird to have more than one character tag when only one person is present on the image, especially with the auto-generated titles for the pictures and the webpage (e.g. "Touya and Black (Pokemon) drawn by whomever", etc). I brought up the issue previously, but people seem to prefer it that way.

I guess there is no perfect way to deal with these characters. We have tried keep to keep the versions separate (like separating Mei from Whi-Two) but they are basically always identical in appearance anyway. Plus that kind of art has often been "mistagged". Some people have been using game tags even when the art is supposed to be about the manga.

"Touya and Black (Pokemon) drawn by whomever" may sound weird, but in a sense whenever Black appears, Touya is present as well. I mean, if someone is looking for Touya, why shouldn't they easily see some posts like post #3361989 or post #1198940? They are supposed to be about Black, but in some cases we only know that because of artist commentary or tags added by the artist specifically say "Black". In some cases like this Pixiv art (post #3235905), the artist has added both tags like "Mei" and "Whi-Two" for the same character.

Reply
1