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Recently stumbled across these two post made by a new popular Picrew image maker
post #3761339
post #3762710
https://picrew.me/image_maker/186583
I'm wondering if these kinds of images should be posted/approved since, while cute and good quality, they are quite easy to make and kind of fall into a weird grey area.
Personally I wouldn't post them.
Where do we draw the line for this, though?
For example, what about AI-generated content like https://make.girls.moe/ or https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/ ?
Lacrimosa said:
So, is everyone able to make such an generated image?
I just assume that's the case and then there is no artistic merit in that.
Well, right now there's no rules against training a neural network to draw anime images based on danbooru's database and upload them. We wouldn't even be able to tell if they pick only the best ones.
nonamethanks said:
Where do we draw the line for this, though?
For example, what about AI-generated content like https://make.girls.moe/ or https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/ ?
It's been discussed before in topic #15864 , but it gets away from the point of the site, and it could lead to people flooding danbooru with auto-generated/semi-generated pics at whim for any reason.
DreamFromTheLayer said:
...it gets away from the point of the site, and it could lead to people flooding danbooru with auto-generated/semi-generated pics at whim for any reason.
But what is the point of the site? Is it simply to provide its users with high-quality art, or is its job more along the lines of providing a record of the high-quality art which our society creates? In my opinion, whether we allow this kind of content depends largely on the answer to that question. The art this algorithm creates is high-quality, but in my opinion it lacks the context and purpose that human-created art holds - there is no answer to the question "why did the robot create this?" other than "because somebody pushed some buttons".
I don't believe we should allow computer-generated illustrations here, but if we do then there at least needs to be a tag for it so that it can be blacklisted.
If computer-generated images are accepted, I could upload some.
I won't upload them at this point because I know there's an ongoing controversy about it and some people here are not big fans of these images.
We would still need human judgement to tell which computer-generated images are good. Humans would have to tag them too.
AngryZapdos said:
But what is the point of the site? Is it simply to provide its users with high-quality art, or is its job more along the lines of providing a record of the high-quality art which our society creates? In my opinion, whether we allow this kind of content depends largely on the answer to that question. The art this algorithm creates is high-quality, but in my opinion it lacks the context and purpose that human-created art holds - there is no answer to the question "why did the robot create this?" other than "because somebody pushed some buttons".
We're concerned with a lot of things, the history, effort, intent, credentials, and such, while also preferring some modicum of quality.
The "source:" field is considered important, after all.
Anyway, it could be argued that generated images are third-party edits by design, and Danbooru is already stringent about such things.
Lacrimosa said:
What do you mean by that?
We already do this with every image that's on the website.
I'm glad you asked. I mean this:
I'm in favor of uploading computer-generated images. (obviously not all of them, just the good ones) We are a repository of high-quality anime-style art. If the computer can generate high-quality anime-style art, I'd say it fits the purpose of Danbooru.
Zapdos mentioned some philosophical arguments about the value and purpose or art, and the role of humans in society. That's why I replied under the same subject, philosophical stuff. It may be an obvious and well-know thing, but anyway: humans still have a value and purpose, at least when it comes to choosing posts.
(But if a future robot becomes good at approving and tagging posts, I'd support letting it do it too.)
I am personally against uploading computer-generated artworks.
I could go on a philosophical rant about why, but in general, @DreamFromTheLayer explained it pretty well: it will be entirely possible to flood Danbooru with them. A machine can generate infinite artworks. That would be a huge blow on the servers, costs will surely rise.
Not only that, it might also break some bots, since some that use danbooru as source will base following artworks not on human input, but on machine-generated artworks.
I personally see Danbooru as something like Wayback Machine: even if artists will delete their accounts or websites, whether willing or not, this storage will keep their artworks that would be otherwise lost in time.
Machine-generated artworks can sometimes be pretty, but in the end they're just that, pretty. Since they are based on other artworks, they will never be innovative.
A separate booru for machine-generated artworks might be better imo.
Previous discussion about computer-generated art:
The direction of this discussion has apparently confused someone into turning Picrew into an artist and tagging all posts with computer-generated. So for those unfamiliar, let me make it clear that Picrew is functionally identical to the dollmakers and kisekae games that have been present online since the 90s. It is not an AI tool.
I would regard user-created Picrew avatars and computer-generated images as out of the site's scope for similar reasons to what's already been stated in the thread. People are talking about "woulds" and "wills", but these technologies have already existed for some time and have prominence on social media, and our userbase by default knows better than to upload them. This discussion is only taking place due to an accidental upload, not legitimate demand.
(The one catch regarding Picrew is that the artists themselves occasionally upload something they drew for a generator, and deleting that would be inappropriate.)
