remove alias hisasi -> hisashi_(nekoman)
forum #133141 for my justification on this, or expand below for a more up to date comment. I want to start a new thread on this since I feel as if we kept going with the necro'd thread, we'd be again arguing over something we shouldn't be.
My comment here
Hope no one minds me necrobumping this thread again, as I'm sort of... annoyed at the fact we've been using the hisashi_(nekoman) tag for so long, based on some pesky alternate reading of his name when on nearly all of his works, print and digital, feature the name "Hisasi".
MyrMindservant is pretty much right on this (forum #88934), that we've been approaching this problem wrong from the very beginning. Hisasi is NOT a romanization of ひさし, rather ひさし is an alternate kana reading provided for the sake of helping others understand how to pronounce his name. Yes, you can call it a Nihon-shiki romanization but that's not how it's intended to be interpreted otherwise. Going by ひさし as a name for "consistency" purposes falls incredibly flat when you consider that artists are naught to stick to any one alphabet for their name.
MyrMindservant said:
Oh, and we are not going to drop the qualifier, it is there for a reason. So the request should be
hisashi_(nekoman) -> hisasi_(nekoman).
Disagree with this. His name is pretty much ubiquitous -- if you ask anyone who Hisasi is, chances are no one will confuse it with anyone else.
S1eth said:
Just read the whole thread...
Our romanization policy is actually very clear on this. If the name is just written once in kana (assuming the artist is Japanese of course), then this trumps EVERY OFFICIAL romanization of the name, so ひさし takes priority over Hisasi no matter how often the latter is used.And I'm pretty sure the artist pronounces his own name as Hisashi. And our system's goal is to represent the original pronunciation as close as possible.
It should be amended then. Sticking to any one rule is bound to be messy and annoying, and it's incredibly vulnerable to other cases. Every other site, official, unofficial, print and digital media otherwise, use his name as Hisasi. He even signs his own work as such (post #1601322). We shouldn't even be taking his "kana-fication" reading into account, especially now on such an abandoned site he rarely updates anymore.
If we're going by what you're saying, that means all I would have to do to request an artist name to be changed to some nonsensical romanization is find a kana reading of their name somewhere and claim that "this is consistent with how we romanize artist names". Let's put that into example:
- michiking → michikingu. Nope, nope nope nope nope nope nope nope.
- ilya_kuvshinov → iriya_kusshinobu. His name is イリヤ on Pixiv.
- hideousbeing → hidiusbiin (ヒディウスビーン). Just one kana reading on Pixiv, and all his other sites use roman letters.
- capriccio → kapurichio. His pixiv says Capriccio even though his name is written in kana as かぷりちお. Plus, his twitter handle (capri134) and pixiv ID (caprin134) also give it away.
The point of artist tags is to help find an artist more easily, not to be pedantic about readings. As such, they should be intuitive, user-friendly, and as accurate to the original name as possible.
When an artist chooses to write their name in roman letters to begin with, we should prefer that reading over ALL else. The romanization policy only comes into effect should an artist not provide a legitimate reading of their own name in hepburn. Again, Hisasi is not a 'romanization', it is the actual reading of his name. ひさし is to help pronounce his name, not replace it.
Hisasi is the bonafide name of this artist. Calling him "ひさし" (hisashi) outside of verbal pronunciation would otherwise be inaccurate to the name that he uses pretty much everywhere, on all print and digital media (post #2150982, post #2758962) and even signatures (post #1601322).
I would put this in topic #7713, but given his name is so ubiquitous and that this conversation may set a new precedence, we should discuss it in a wholly separate thread.
Follow up request will be hisashi_(nekoman) -> hisasi whenever the above is done.
The bulk update request #1216 has been approved.
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