Garment sorting thread (formerly called 'Superfluous tagging page?')

I think what needs to be done is to first identify the categories, and then better define them. It doesn't necessarily mean that all forms of topwear have to be implicated to a *_topwear tag, but the term 'topwear' can simply be used as a category for a list of items that can have colored implications. Perhaps this was the type of thing I was aiming for rather than treating it as 'superfluous tagging'. I admit that that was a mistake for me to call it that.

If I were to draft up a hypothetical page like this, I'd do something like this:

SAMPLE PAGE

HEADWEAR
Headwear is defined as apparel that is worn on the head. The neck may or may not be part of the headwear, but at least there should be something on top of the head.

• hairband
• red hairband
• orange hairband
• etc...

• hat
• red hat
• orange hat
• etc...

TOPWEAR
Topwear is defined as apparel that is worn on the upper body, starting from the shoulders and running down the length of the body. Topwear can vary in lengths, whether they'd be short crop tops or long trench coats.

• dress
• red dress
• orange dress
• etc...

• shirt
• red shirt
• orange shirt
• etc...

• tank top
• red tank top
• orange tank top
• etc...

BOTTOMWEAR
Bottomwear is any type of apparel that is worn on the lower body, starting from the waist or abdomen and running down the legs for whatever length.

• pants
• red pants
• orange pants
• etc...

• skirt
• red skirt
• orange skirt
• etc...

END SAMPLE PAGE

The articles of clothing would be separated into better defined categories, and then each one can be detailed with related tags for better sorting and tag implicating/aliasing. This wouldn't be treated as superfluous tagging for those who don't agree with such a thing, while also allowing for the creation of new tags for those who desire them.

And yes, I purposely separated dress and skirt into topwear and bottomwear in the sample due to their definitions.

Thoughts?

All that seems overly complicated and is a very pretty but solution but not great in practice. I think the problem at hand is obvious, that blouses and "shirts" are effectively the same thing, just one is generally tucked in and the other not. So just shoehorn them together, with blouse as a subset of shirt (and to imply shirt), no? As for shoehorning skirt and pants together, I mean come on.

So I propose, make shirt function like *_legwear. If you have a white blouse, it should be blouse + white_shirt, blouse + collared shirt (as opposed to white_blouse, collared_blouse). I think this will leave most people happy, including myself. For more specificity you can search dress_shirt + white_shirt, t-shirt + white_shirt or whatever it may be.

Additionally I see tanktops getting the same treatment. I think it's clear these are "shirt-like" garments in a way you can't say about lumping everything together as topwear or buttomwear. Exceptions I see as necessary are vests for instance, which should be independent, along with other garments worn over shirt-like things.

I agree with chinatsu here.
Another think are also implications like "tank_top" -> "sleeveless_shirt". They might be "shirt"-like garments in general, but if you have a more specific term, then such implications don't make much sense.
So "shirt" is already the umbrella term and there are multiple specifications of said term which are also slightly different each time, see the aformentioned example.
So to be honest, I'm quite happy with the current tagging status and complicating this even further...is honestly not such a great idea. Sometimes keeping things as simple as possible in order to get more than acceptable results is just better and less tagging noise (because the likelihood is high that people just don't care when tagging and it blows up the tagging work in general; instead of sitting one minute before a post, it's now 2 minutes).

As is now, that is not how we tag things. It would be necesarry to make some implications and updates. For instance, to update all collared_blouse to be collared_shirt and then make an implication from blouse to shirt. And in addition implications from tanktop to shirt, so on and so forth.

I'm warm to the idea of implying tanktop to sleeveless shirt or something, although I suspect it may have been rejected previously.

Also something brought up on the discord: topwear could instead be split into outerwear and topwear. Ergo, a jacket or vest would be considered "outerwear" while garments worn underneath them such as shirts simply topwear. Not sure how I feel about it but it seems like an improvement for the outerwear arguments. It would also necessarily indicate that a character is wearing some garment over another garment if you do the search outerwear + topwear. We don't tag things such as "shirt under jacket" so it would potentially help in that way.

For bottomwear I don't think such a distinction would be useful. You typically wear either a skirt or some length of pant. Additionally it makes little sense to me to shoehorn skirts, pants, shorts, et. al. into one tag just for simplicity's sake. The argument seems relevant for topear but I suggest not considering it for bottomwear.