[Feature Request/Discussion] Searchable Banned Content

That's not the point though.

As I said before, pixiv/seiga tagging is pretty awful because artists and users aren't encouraged to keep it standard -- it is nonstandard by nature. If you want to find posts from them quickly, you use this as an auxiliary search to get to the posts you want to find, even if you can't see the posts. For one thing, pixiv intentionally has everyone wait however long before adding or removing tags (can be anywhere from 10 minutes to a half hour or longer), and they always alert the artist of any changes (and more specifically by default, tag removals). This has gotten me blocked by an artist once, which is why I'm keen on not tagging so aggressively on pixiv anymore unless I like a post a lot.

Provence said:

But there is still a possibility to search for this artist's posts even if you are only a Member. The wiki pages will link to the artist's Pixiv (and that's their intention, since they don't want to have their posts "hosted".
That means Members still have the possibility to search for that artist and see these artist's posts, only with some detours.

Err... No. For Member-level users, not even a Wiki page is visible. Banned artists are literally unsearchable by Member-lever users, which is why I intended to, at some point, make a thread asking the mods to allow banned artists to have Wiki pages linking to their sites. But now, this thread already exists, and I just learned there are users who can see them.

Mikaeri said:

Artists could request to be banned for an number of reasons (like if they don't like the thought of their content's views being stolen or something), but if they've made their work public, then at the minimum we can always link posts back to their original source.

Artists request the removal of their works because they can get in legal trouble.
I don't know the details, but it seems fan artists can be sued by the copyright owners if their fan work is too circulated.

Hm, I haven't read that article in forever. But I think that's more related to illegally sold, reprinted, and/or modified doujinshi work albeit definitely relevant. I don't know if it's so much of a problem now than before, sharing pixiv/seiga/nijie artwork, but I can understand their sentiments. The thing is though, is that whenever these artists do post work to their sites, they're done so with the intent of sharing. And this is what makes me think curating to DB is almost the same as reblogging/retweeting/reposting/sharing anywhere else, because that kind of system eventually credits the original artist and makes it possible to find more of their work, versus say... just batching it up on imgur and posting to some generic blog you've made or on reddit without credit to the original artist. Although I do understand it's not all about that when it comes to requesting their work be taken down.

But anyways, that's derailing from the topic. Yes, you are correct G-SANtos, that member-level users can't even see a banned artist's wiki page. All they know is that they're banned, and that's it.

-1, I don't like the idea. Banned posts should look like they don't even exist on the site unless you stumble on its direct link, much like loli/shota posts, if only to avoid further angering the artists that request removal. We don't ask permission to archive their work, so it's fair that we should comply when they ask us to take it down. "Ban" means pretty much erasing artist presence on danbooru for member- members, and what you propose seeks to circumvent that. I don't see any reason to do that, TBH.

Fair enough. Well, after knowing that banned content is only limited to be searchable and viewable by Gold+ (I thought it was Builder+), there probably isn't much of a reason to change this from how it is currently. We do pretty much treat it the same way as we do loli/shota content.

This discussion largely spawned because of my interest in uploading content from banned artists in hopes of just keeping them 'findable', not consequent of the fact that we as janitors still see content from banned artists in the queue to review -- those posts are treated just as any other posts that aren't banned, and are approved or denied as such. That's how I've always seen it, and perhaps it's an extra, unmentioned feature of helping support the site and buying a gold+ membership.

I don't think a simple "this image has been removed at the artist's request" placeholder would be an issue tbh. Or do what Google does and show a "X number of results have been removed from this search due to takedown requests" message. Either way would be better than returning blank pages for no obvious reason. It's not like we have to broadcast the fact that these images are still visible for Danbooru Gold™ users.

The image itself is the only thing Danbooru is obligated to take down. Hiding other things like search results and wiki entries is going beyond what an artist has any right to request of us.

evazion said:

Or do what Google does and show a "X number of results have been removed from this search due to takedown requests" message.

That's also what I thought about, actually. And this could be done not only for banned posts, but for deleted and censored posts as well; "takedown request", "deleted" and "censored" could even be a links to corresponding wiki pages or even "status:deleted" search in "deleted" case. The one thing that could go wrong is that we actually mention we have those posts rather than silently hiding them.

I'm in support of the above idea. With that resolution, we'd get less confusion over users suddenly seeing their uploads disappear as was the case with that particular post.

evazion said:

I don't think a simple "this image has been removed at the artist's request" placeholder would be an issue tbh. Or do what Google does and show a "X number of results have been removed from this search due to takedown requests" message. Either way would be better than returning blank pages for no obvious reason. It's not like we have to broadcast the fact that these images are still visible for Danbooru Gold™ users.

The image itself is the only thing Danbooru is obligated to take down. Hiding other things like search results and wiki entries is going beyond what an artist has any right to request of us.

That is what I thought, too.
I really thought that wiki psges are still visible. Because they always link link to the artist's pages and that is what the banned artist's want...that the images are only at their pixiv, dA etc. page.