What's our stance on twitter samples?

BrokenEagle98 said:

Hmm... I just had a thought, and I wonder how it would sell, but what about a new Special Permission for Unlimited Flagging...?

This would be for those users that don't need approval privileges to do the kind of automated post gardening as discussed in this thread, however are limited by the 10 count flag limitation...

The issue is that we'd need a mod to give this permission out to people, and frankly I don't see anyone doing that. Wypatroszony seems to be the only mod who promotes people any more.

How about just giving Contributors unlimited flagging privileges? If you're trustworthy enough to bypass the mod queue, surely you can be trusted with flagging. If someone abuses it, just yell at them to cut it out.

Just contact one mod and they listen to you. Well, most of the times, that is. And there are some mods I frequently talk with and it is working.

Btw. what do we gain by doing so? Bloating up the flag vandalism topic, maybe?

It is not like there aren't people without unlimited flagging abilities (^o^). Just become a Janitor and you get this permission. Not that it is easy to become a Janitor nowadays, but what is the main reason for you wanting to do this?

RaisingK said:

I'd be fine with the switch to bad pixiv id, but can we just keep it one tag? It's so much easier for automated tagging, and I'm not sure how much of that is apparent from the pixiv API...

I guess deleted versus private/followers-only is the most useful distinction. Some bad id posts aren't permanently gone, they're just currently not public. I don't know what you can get from the API, but the HTML pages distinguish these cases at least. Some test cases:

• post #2582578 - "This work was deleted."
• post #2579668 - "Work has been deleted or the ID does not exist."
• post #2570301 - "Artist has made their work private."
• post #2564380 - "Only swd3e2's My pixiv list can view this."

Provence said:

Just become a Janitor and you get this permission. Not that it is easy to become a Janitor nowadays, but what is the main reason for you wanting to do this?

So that BrokenEagle and RaisingK's bots can flag everything they need to without having to make a special permission just for them. And I think most contributors have enough sense to not go on mass flagging sprees anyway.

evazion said:

How about just giving Contributors unlimited flagging privileges? If you're trustworthy enough to bypass the mod queue, surely you can be trusted with flagging. If someone abuses it, just yell at them to cut it out.

Hmm... that could work pretty well, since if someone abused their flagging privilege, then they would lose both that and their unlimited uploading privilege, thus cutting back on the likelihood of abuse actually occurring.

I like it... (ツ)

evazion said:

So that BrokenEagle and RaisingK's bots can flag everything they need to without having to make a special permission just for them. And I think most contributors have enough sense to not go on mass flagging sprees anyway.

Well, it did work over the last time with RaisingK's bot just well. Give it time. It is not like those samples are hurting anyone.
But do you really want to make it open for Contributors to flag unlimited? They were promoted for uploading art, not for kicking images out in the dumpster. That is a difference and there are quite a lot, so if only a small group goes up flagging stuff because they have the unlimited powers to do so, then there could be some damage. And Danbooru is normally good with the approved posts or posts by Contributors. If something still happens: Make use of your ten flags per day. That is still a lot.

But ok, I can't see sny real reason to not give this permission to RaisingK or BrokenEagle for flagging sample images and uploading the full size, excet that it was dong good in the past with the Pixiv samples, like I said above

BrokenEagle98 said:
then they would lose both that and their unlimited uploading privilege,

What? Why? Those permissions are not even connected with each other.
Eh, well, it is ot like those are real counter arguments, but I'd only say that Contributing is another thing as flagging and approving posts. And flagging and approving is also not quite the same. But ok, maybe we can really try this out. If it works, then I've no reason to object.

Provence said:

What? Why? Those permissions are not even connected with each other.

It'd be easiest coding-wise just to make those two one and the same, rather than something that would only otherwise be sparingly used.

Plus, it's like how there isn't one permission for approving posts, another for deleting posts, another for undeleting posts, another for banning or unbanning, and another for unlimited flagging. They are all tied together in the same permission. If you abused any of those individually, that would merit losing all in their entirety.

The same could apply to the unlimited uploads permission. Just add an additional permission to the mix, and if either of them gets abused, then that would merit a loss of all since they would be tied together.

Ehm, no. It is entirely different.
Approvers should be the one who are deciding which posts do have a place here and which not. Therefore it makes sense for them to have the ability to undeleted (which is the same as approving), deleting (if the uality is really low or the image entirely off-topic), and flagging without limits. A good flagger isn't always a good Janitor, because those two concepts are slightly different.

Contributing on the other hand is nothing like flagging. You could see approving is the opposite of flagging, but Contributing means that there is some person who trsuted you in the past good enough so that they promote you to Contributor. Now this is mostly done by Wypatroszony, that is correct. Give that person now the abbility to flag unlimited...that is not what they have been promoted for. They got promoted for being responsible and good uploaders. If they now abuse this new system, then they should only receive a bad feedback or a ban if it was a vast abuse. But removing the Contributor status from this user is not correct.
By the way, with that logic, one person, who is flagging a lot and succesfully but doesn't contribute, has to become this ability, too. But since this person never uploaded once an image, it is very likely they go haywire, since finding good and fitting is something different than kicking bad images out.

That said: If it gets implemented, then it shouldn't be the quick and easiest path to implement this, like making everything one and the same. One should think a bit more into that, before making a decision.

That would be easier if the Contributor status would still be a seperate user rank, though.

Agree to giving unlimited uploads unlimited flags, but I think we'd have to call the permission something different then, in that case.

And although Janitors do have it, I think if it leads to an overall bigger cleanup of the gallery then so be it... I'd be ready to start flagging more images that way then.

Speaking of which, should we start flagging Twitter samples now that they're properly tagged?

Mikaeri said:

Speaking of which, should we start flagging Twitter samples now that they're properly tagged?

Yeah, although make sure to upload the full size image (":orig") and parent the smaller version to it first. I'd start with the higher rated and faved posts first, so twitter_sample order:score or twitter_sample order:favcount. Also, if the image is borderline Danbooru worthy material IYO, then there's no need to upload the higher resolution image IMO...

It'll probably be a while before I get around to it myself since my efforts and bandwidth are currently dedicated to tagging Nicoseiga posts, then Nijie, then Artstation, etc...

I can only say that Contributing =/= Flagging and and Approving post is closer to Flagging but still not the same. May I ask what the main reason is for you? Other than saying "they show some great judgement basing from their uploads"?
And I wonder what @albert would think about this.
And besides that, ten flags per day are good. If there really were a problem in your opinion, then others would probably think so too.

Provence said:

And besides that, ten flags per day are good. If there really were a problem in your opinion, then others would probably think so too.

The only issue with this is those that want to upload the higher resolution image for "samples" and then flag the original sample image for deletion. Given the 10 flag limit, it would then therefore be slow work doing this as they would be limited to 10 uploads a day.

Throughout all of this delay, it is a very real possibility that some of those larger resolution images will be lost to the Internet forever as either the service or the user drops public support for those images.

@BrokenEagle98 How do you think we should handle posts where it's a twitter sample but there's already a better version from pixiv/seiga/nijie/etc? e.g. post #1730730

My personal opinion would be to disregard then...

Unless of course the Twitter version has something in it that the Pixiv/Seiga doesn't, e.g. color variations, additional text, other items, etc...
Another example would be that the Twitter version is the "rough draft" and the Pixiv/Seiga version is the "final draft"...

Basically, "Does uploading the picture add any value to this site?" is the question that should be asked...

@Mikaeri

Keep in mind that if "Twitter version" are uploaded earlier than the "Pixiv/Seiga version", it's best to just parent them to the one with best quality. All of these Twitter uploads are happened because of the uncertainty that surrounds every Pixiv/Seiga artists. You see, sometimes artist uploads a work only in Twitter, and don't upload it on Pixiv/Seiga/etc. But, we as uploader don't have any way to know which pics that will be uploaded later on Pixiv/Seiga and which pics that stays on Twitter. That's why, if someone uploads a "Twitter version" but several hours later the "Pixiv/Seiga version" emerges, the fairest way possible is to just parent it to the better version.

So just a question for reuploads of higher resolution pictures for "samples"...

Should they be uploaded...

1. From a different member-level account...? (Like RazingK, aka RaisingK)
2. From regular account, but sent to the moderation queue...?
3. From regular account, but bypassing the moderation queue...?

Thoughts?

Edit:

• Made list numerical for easier reference

Eh, it should be as free as possible.
That said: Let it be treated as any other upload.

Provence said:

Eh, it should be as free as possible.
That said: Let it be treated as any other upload.

So from the numbered list I presented in forum #124740, which item are you referring to...? 1, 2 or 3...?

BrokenEagle98 said:

So from the numbered list I presented in forum #124740, which item are you referring to...? 1, 2 or 3...?

None.
Samples should be uploaded just like any other post. If you think that a post needs moderation, then put it into the queue. If you are a Contributor you are trusted that those posts are good quality.
If you really see only borderline posts within the samples, then it would probably be ok to create a member level account if you don't want to hurt your deleted post section. But one should then mark this account, like RaisingK did with RazingK.