salarta said: In this special case, I see leaving one and letting the other die as entirely, unequivocally biased.
Or a mod/janitor just happened to see one and not the other. Not all approval is done in the mod queue. Someone could have searched the character tag, saw an unapproved post, and did the approval to that specific image.
And you're missing the point anyway - it's not really your decision to make. If you don't want similar images to potentially get only partially approved, then don't upload either of them. If you do, just live with the result.
And if you really didn't care, you wouldn't stalk your unapproved images, and come onto the forums appealing, by yourself, more images than pretty much every other uploader to danbooru combined.
jxh2154 said: Or a mod/janitor just happened to see one and not the other. Not all approval is done in the mod queue. Someone could have searched the character tag, saw an unapproved post, and did the approval to that specific image.
And you're missing the point anyway - it's not really your decision to make. If you don't want similar images to potentially get only partially approved, then don't upload either of them. If you do, just live with the result.
And if you really didn't care, you wouldn't stalk your unapproved images, and come onto the forums appealing, by yourself, more images than pretty much every other uploader to danbooru combined.
I said "I don't care anymore." Not "I never cared in the first place." The last word in that first one, 'anymore', is very important to the intended message of the sentence. The second half of the original sentence, "because it's done" makes it evident that I was referring very specifically to the issue with those two images.
I intentionally delayed saying what I planned to do because I realized the potential that a mod did not see the unapproved one.
I'm someone who doesn't go for blatant bias, as you seem comfortable with. These aren't merely "similar" images. They're nearly the exact same, with which character they show as the only difference. Ignoring which character it is, quality and content matches perfectly. I see no reason I should be expected to accept bias in favor of one character and against another, which is the only conclusion I could possibly have drawn from the situation if they had remained unequally approved. Why should I bother to upload anything at all if the only purpose danbooru serves is to upload whatever the admins, mods and janitors like, and to hell with the things I like even if it's of a perfectly matching quality to something that got approved.
Do you see where I'm coming from here?
Before someone even says it, it's not about the characters that I had a gripe. It's about the bias that was implied in itself.
I'm not attacking the admins, mods and janitors here either. The images are being treated fairly, which means that my concern there is settled. I simply had to explain myself to jxh.
I doubt there was any blatant bias that happened here. jxh2154 was skimming through the mod queue and equally didn't like it. Some janitor must have found one of your images and approves it and neglected to approve the other since he didn't know it existed. I only found this just recently or must have not noticed it while browsing the mod queue since there are tons of items there usually.
This is also probably why albert is recruiting new janitors again.
salarta said: I'm someone who doesn't go for blatant bias, as you seem comfortable with.
It gets harder to take you seriously every time you post, you know that?
Why should I bother to upload anything at all
I'm starting to think that's a good question for you. I used to be really sympathetic to you when you first started with these appeals way back, but man that's just been evaporating lately.
Quess said: I doubt there was any blatant bias that happened here. jxh2154 was skimming through the mod queue and equally didn't like it. Some janitor must have found one of your images and approves it and neglected to approve the other since he didn't know it existed. I only found this just recently or must have not noticed it while browsing the mod queue since there are tons of items there usually.
This is also probably why albert is recruiting new janitors again.
That's why I added that last paragraph. They were being treated fairly by those of you who posted here (jxh would have equally left them alone, you equally let them stay), but at the time all I had was at least one mod who wouldn't approve either, and one before I made these posts who had approved one but not the other. Until a mod either approved the unapproved one or deleted the approved one for consistency, it looked biased. Though I might have been hasty by expecting such a quick (as in within a few hours) response from all admins, mods and janitors that would check here.
Most of my previous message was just clarifying my perspective for jxh. Sorry if it sounds like I still think badly of the group as a whole on this issue, because I don't.
To jxh: looking that over again, I shouldn't have spoken like that in the first one you quoted. That doesn't help come to an understanding of the issue, so thanks for making me aware of me doing that to you.
That doesn't change my perspective on the issue, however. I still would see no justification in such an attitude if taken.
Actually, I can understand why. I'm often abrasive and demanding. I've put a lot of time into uploading things here and doing what is asked of me. While other users get promoted for simply commenting, I've been told that I shouldn't upload from pixiv if I'm not even going to try to add an artist tag and given a neg record for being "unable or unwilling to distinguish good (danbooru-worthy) art from bad" despite my continued attempts to fit the perception of "danbooru-quality" art. If there are demands of quality on the user end for how to make use of danbooru, isn't it only fair for a user to demand quality reciprocal treatment?
I actually AM still keeping records as I said in a different thread. No, this recent one isn't on there, because after what jxh and Quess said after considering the images, it became apparent the reason this turned into an argument was my fault. I jumped the gun on my judgment of how the admins, mods and janitors were treating the situation and needed to take a few steps back. Give it time, rather than make rash assumptions.
Edit: I can explain why the other thread led to keeping records, too, if asked. For now, I'll leave it at both past experience and what that told me I could expect in the future.
Edit2: And the number of appeals I made the first time was entirely because I had no measure of reference given for how many would be acceptable to put up for appeal. I don't know what being an admin/mod/janitor here is like with the mod queue. You asked me to cut it down and be more discerning in what I appealed, so I went back and cut it down.
A series of child variants from post #345416 were deleted this morning after I uploaded them. I believe I've inquired about this before, primarily about Source (they were all on a Flash so I couldn't just link to it), but also about the variants. I received no response, so I let it sit at the time.
Without going too long-winded, I don't see the difference between the seven variants of post #345416 and most of the variants for post #345309.
Note the key word 'most'. I realize there are relevant differences over the sequence, but it doesn't change that a lot of them are a lot like my recent post: minor variations to a template image.
Note: the variations for mine are in facial expression. I'm mentioning this here to potentially save time for the admins, mods and janitors.
For starters, yours is utter crap quality-wise. But I agree there's very little point to that other sequence, I dunno why it was approved in the first place. CG dumps are not danbooru material.
葉月 said: For starters, yours is utter crap quality-wise. But I agree there's very little point to that other sequence, I dunno why it was approved in the first place. CG dumps are not danbooru material.
Edit: and now it's fixed.
I don't see how mine were "utter crap," but I'm guessing it's a personal opinion kind of thing and leave that alone.
Thanks for both clearing up the issue and doing so so quickly.
That's not a matter of opinion, it's a simple fact that those pics are of low quality.
Well before any of the other things I say, at the outset I should say that's the quality they came in from the site. Doesn't change the issues, only mentioning to make known that it's the best I could have (at least that I know of) for these particular images.
Anyway, I can see them now that you mention them, and I realize how they reduce quality, but I don't see how they're so bad that they make the images "utter crap." I'm not arguing on whether or not it belongs on danbooru, if it's really so bad then I won't mind if it gets deleted, but right now it seems over-critical to me to say they're complete crap when it's not so bad that you can't enjoy the image.
Not mine, but why was post #344908 deleted? It wasn't autodeleted, but it doesn't have a reason for deletion either.
And on that note, what's up with deleted posts not having reasons for deletion? Is it mods not bothering to enter one or is it a bug? It seems these posts don't even show up in the deleted index.
salarta said: Well before any of the other things I say, at the outset I should say that's the quality they came in from the site. Doesn't change the issues, only mentioning to make known that it's the best I could have (at least that I know of) for these particular images.
Anyway, I can see them now that you mention them, and I realize how they reduce quality, but I don't see how they're so bad that they make the images "utter crap." I'm not arguing on whether or not it belongs on danbooru, if it's really so bad then I won't mind if it gets deleted, but right now it seems over-critical to me to say they're complete crap when it's not so bad that you can't enjoy the image.
Unfortunately a large number of your uploads ARE "so bad" that many users can't enjoy them. Objective shortcomings such as blurriness, JPEG artifacts, watermarks, and small size are all factors that can cause an image to be dismissed as bad no matter how unique or subjectively interesting it may be. These technical issues are consistent in the images you have been uploading and are the reason that many are not approved.
I can appreciate your desire to share so many images with the danbooru community and I apologize if this sounds harsh or over-critical. Perhaps your efforts would be more successful if you were to re-evaluate your criteria and pay more attention to technical factors when selecting which images to upload. Danbooru is not intended as a comprehensive repository and it is perfectly acceptable to not upload an image if you can't find a good version of it.
evazion said: Not mine, but why was post #344908 deleted? It wasn't autodeleted, but it doesn't have a reason for deletion either.
And on that note, what's up with deleted posts not having reasons for deletion? Is it mods not bothering to enter one or is it a bug? It seems these posts don't even show up in the deleted index.
evazion said: Ah, I didn't realize it was a mirrored dupe, thanks.
Whoever deleted it should have said as much in the reason, you're right. Although in general we don't delete dupes... maybe they thought it was resized and mirrored by a third party (e.g. not by the artist, just by some other person to make a wallpaper), which *would* be sort of a reason for deletion. But the reason why should have been there, certainly.
thatdog said: Unfortunately a large number of your uploads ARE "so bad" that many users can't enjoy them. Objective shortcomings such as blurriness, JPEG artifacts, watermarks, and small size are all factors that can cause an image to be dismissed as bad no matter how unique or subjectively interesting it may be. These technical issues are consistent in the images you have been uploading and are the reason that many are not approved.
I can appreciate your desire to share so many images with the danbooru community and I apologize if this sounds harsh or over-critical. Perhaps your efforts would be more successful if you were to re-evaluate your criteria and pay more attention to technical factors when selecting which images to upload. Danbooru is not intended as a comprehensive repository and it is perfectly acceptable to not upload an image if you can't find a good version of it.
First, thank you for responding to me civilly. I normally wouldn't feel the need to say that, but it feels like I should really take notice of it here.
Watermarks, I can understand, though until you mentioned them, I hadn't realized they were an issue even if they couldn't be avoided (I mean aside from if it were similar to how DA has an imprint plastered across the whole image; I've been avoiding ones like that). How small would be too small?
And is post #345416 a good example of what to avoid for blurriness and jpeg artifacts (though to be honest, the only way I caught jpeg artifacts in THAT image was the cape)? I'm also assuming that post #345102 is a good example of an image with enough jpeg artifacts that I shouldn't post it (even though it got approved), so I'm not going to upload the rest of the ones I have from that.
About the number of deletions: I'm at ~240 posts out of ~1800 deleted right now, and to my recollection, the bulk of the ones deleted were from earlier on. I'm NOT using that to justify any bad uploads, I'm only mentioning that number because you mentioned how I've had many images deleted for that not being good quality.
jxh2154 said: Whoever deleted it should have said as much in the reason, you're right. Although in general we don't delete dupes... maybe they thought it was resized and mirrored by a third party (e.g. not by the artist, just by some other person to make a wallpaper), which *would* be sort of a reason for deletion. But the reason why should have been there, certainly.
If the deletion was recent, it might be that same glitch I mentioned in a different thread that, at least for me, still isn't resolved. The things that get deleted of mine still aren't showing up in my deletion list, or when found through 'deleted:true', don't have a reason at all... not even unapproved in three days.
jxh2154 said: Whoever deleted it should have said as much in the reason, you're right. Although in general we don't delete dupes... maybe they thought it was resized and mirrored by a third party (e.g. not by the artist, just by some other person to make a wallpaper), which *would* be sort of a reason for deletion. But the reason why should have been there, certainly.
Deleting posts in the mod queue produces this even though you enter a reason. I've already submitted a ticket about it. http://trac.donmai.us/ticket/425
