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[bulk] Neckwear Grab vs Necktie Grab

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BrokenEagle98

create implication necktie_grab -> neckwear_grab

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Migrated necktie grab tags to neckwear grab, which is a more generalized umbrella term and can cover multiple different types of neckwear, to include:

I left out casting the old aliases to the new tag for right now, unless people think they are still needed, in which case they can be added into this bulk request.

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Updated change request to create an implication for an overall umbrella tag neckwear grab while keeping the specific tag necktie grab.

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MyrMindservant

I agree with the creation of the neckwear_grab, but I don't see a reason to get rid of the necktie_grab. Necktie grab is a specific, well defined and frequent enough concept that it deserves its own tag.

Rather than merging necktie_grab into the neckwear_grab, I would suggest to use neckwear_grab as a catch-all tag. In other words, keep necktie_grab the way it is now and implicate it to neckwear_grab.
Situations where someone is grabbing other kinds of neckwear would be found by neckwear_grab -necktie_grab search. And if some of them get numerous enough, then we can create separate tags for it.

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BrokenEagle98 said:

Migrated necktie grab tags to neckwear grab,

Eh? I see that you did it already. Weird, I thought that long time contributors like you would know better to not make significant changes without properly discussing it first. At the very least you should have waited several days to give others a chance to voice their opinion.

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BrokenEagle98

MyrMindservant said:

Eh? I see that you did it already. Weird, I thought that long time contributors like you would know better to not make significant changes without properly discussing it first. At the very least you should have waited several days to give others a chance to voice their opinion.

No blood no foul. It took 1 minute to change, and it'll take 1 minute to change back. Large changes, on the other hand...

Regardless, I'll switch the necktie ones back, although I'll leave the few I found that weren't necktie with neckwear grab, and change the update request to have:

create implication necktie grab -> neckwear grab

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NWF Renim

With the alias, necktie_grab could be replaced with a neckwear_grab necktie search and you can filter out necktie_garbs with a neckgear_grab -necktie search. On the other hand, not all cases filtered out by neckgear_grab -necktie will actually be necktie_grabs, so retaining the necktie_grab tag helps to future-proof the setup.

Choosing one approach or the other here basically comes down to a preference of either meeting the needs of today or meeting a hypothetical need of the future.

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BrokenEagle98

NWF_Renim said:

Choosing one approach or the other here basically comes down to a preference of either meeting the needs of today or meeting a hypothetical need of the future.

Agree, and I think keeping it as an implication request is appropriate.

A similar case can be found in the headwear removed, hat removed, and helmet removed tags. Headwear removed is the umbrella term, and hat removed and helmet removed are the specific terms.

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MyrMindservant

Borrator said:

Actually my reasoning was "do we need to have two different tags if there are only like 20 posts difference between them". It just feels like needless cluster. But ultimately, why not

As NWF Renim already mentioned, and it was also one of my concerns before, neckwear_grab necktie + neckwear_grab -necktie approach is rather unreliable. Posts under neckwear_grab contain more than one character most of the time, so those searches would both include false positives and exclude some fitting posts.
What I'm trying to say here is that this "clutter" is not needless.

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