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AI-generated art check thread

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kittey

Bernkastel83 said:

post #5755995
One of the replies to the tweet with the art says it is ai-generated, wanted to check if that was the case.

You’re getting an “absolutely yes” from me. Not just for the same reasons as mentioned by feline lump, but also for the purple/pink colors going over the hair, the braid fading in and out of existence and the usual garbled jewellery. (Liking the double-heart pendant, tho.)

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feline lump

VR-Man said:

post #5779922

Looks to be AI, see:

  • Hair merging into tears
  • Wire (?) on chest merging into fabric fold
  • Wires on left machine disappearing into nothing
  • Exposed skin folds make no sense the more you look at them
  • Strangely blurred and warped details in general that don't resemble human brush strokes
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Diet Soda

VR-Man said:

post #5779922

Also make sure to pay attention to line continuity - the AI has seems to have poor object permanence and will often break up elements that are partially hidden underneath something. In that pic, her left sidelock splits the blindfold into two disconnected parts, and the back and seat of the chair are both asymmetrical in a way that'd make no sense for a human artist.

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kittey

nonamethanks said:

post #5779715

is this really AI-generated? The eyes look very clean and there's a lot of smaller details like sweatdrops and coloring slightly out of lineart. It looks like it'd be ai-assisted at worst.

The image has some very clear brush strokes, done at the resolution it was uploaded at. Looks like a lot of the hair, many lines and the eyes, especially the eyelashes, were painted over manually. There’s still a bunch of AI smudges left, easily visible when setting the gamma to 0.2, so I’ll say AI-generated, upscaled to 200 %, then painted over.

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Diet Soda

nonamethanks said:

post #5779715

is this really AI-generated? The eyes look very clean and there's a lot of smaller details like sweatdrops and coloring slightly out of lineart. It looks like it'd be ai-assisted at worst.

To the naked eye, the eyelashes pass but not the eyes, they've got the typical wonky, asymmetrical irises and smudges around them. Not to mention the rest of her body with its cookie-cutter lighting that defies all common sense, inexplicable block of shading between breasts that only NAI generates, pose, resolution, upper hair, etc.

In retrospect I should've probably sought a second opinion before outright flagging it, got a bit of a kneejerk reaction to the artist (sadly but unsurprisingly) denying any AI involvement.

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Dante013

So we've already reached the point of witch hunt, eh?

Serious question : if we've gotten to a point where people are unsure if an image is generated by an AI or not, maybe it means it doesn't matter? Some people have clearly started to see themselves as white knights saving art, but in fact they're just gatekeeping fanarts from people unable to draw themselves. That's sheer bullying and nothing more.

NovelAI is so good that its generation is mostly seen due to the hands. Fun fact: a lot manual artists also struggle with fingers, and many fanarts, including on this site, have very bad hands on it. So we've reached a point where AI-generated content is literally as good as man-made, and in fact, much better than half of what people have uploaded on Google.

As long as the quality is there, what's the problem exactly?

Of course, both NEED to be differentiated. Just so some people don't pretend they're hand-drawing when they're clearly not. But an AI artist still does the composition, shading, and overall direction of the scene. They're still making a vision inside their mind explicit to share it with everyone.

I also struggle with the hypocrisy of people uploading fanarts complaining about plagiarism. Sure, your drawings are your own. But they're not your characters, they're not your creatures, and in many cases, they're a mere reproduction of a scene in a manga.
And THOSE are the guys that say that AI should be banned due to plagiarism?

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feline lump

Dante013 said:

Of course, both NEED to be differentiated. Just so some people don't pretend they're hand-drawing when they're clearly not.

And that's what we're doing. AI-generated content belongs on AIbooru. Whether certain content is deemed within Danbooru's scope or not has nothing to do with whether people are allowed to post it on the internet at all.

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Jisadel

Oh boo hoo @Dante013. Apparently you seem very ignorant of the exact nature of AI-generated images and the controversies surrounding it.

So we've already reached the point of witch hunt, eh?

Serious question : if we've gotten to a point where people are unsure if an image is generated by an AI or not, maybe it means it doesn't matter? Some people have clearly started to see themselves as white knights saving art, but in fact they're just gatekeeping fanarts from people unable to draw themselves. That's sheer bullying and nothing more.

Fyi I'm pretty sure artists don't give two shits about their fanarts being gatekeeped off of Danbooru.

NovelAI is so good that its generation is mostly seen due to the hands. Fun fact: a lot manual artists also struggle with fingers, and many fanarts, including on this site, have very bad hands on it. So we've reached a point where AI-generated content is literally as good as man-made, and in fact, much better than half of what people have uploaded on Google.

Pppphtt, NovelAI is just for talentless nobodies who can't even be bothered to draw something with their own hands that a 5-year old can do. Struggle with drawing hands? Git good and just practice more, like all other normal artists had been doing for months if not years. So you think stuff like post #5735212 or even this is "literally as good as man-made" (sic), right? ;^)

As long as the quality is there, what's the problem exactly?

Noooot sure why you think that same boring, lifeless, and generic artstyle used by NovelAI is considered "quality" (sic). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Of course, both NEED to be differentiated. Just so some people don't pretend they're hand-drawing when they're clearly not. But an AI artist still does the composition, shading, and overall direction of the scene. They're still making a vision inside their mind explicit to share it with everyone.

You and the machine don't share a brain/mind, so you can't have the AI get all of the exact details you want from your mind and place it in the drawing in a specific. Like bruh, this guy generated a humanized Amy Rose with AI, but the machine couldn't get her eye color right. :^)

I also struggle with the hypocrisy of people uploading fanarts complaining about plagiarism. Sure, your drawings are your own. But they're not your characters, they're not your creatures, and in many cases, they're a mere reproduction of a scene in a manga.
And THOSE are the guys that say that AI should be banned due to plagiarism?

Apparently you failed to understand that NovelAI collects visual data from other artist's works without their consent.

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Dante013

"NovelAI is just for talentless nobodies who can't even be bothered to draw something with their own hands that a 5-year old can do."

You're telling me that KIDS DRAWINGS are high quality art? Right, it's not like artists train for years and most of them still don't reach the professional level... Be real, you can be against AI, but don't be childish about it. AI-generated content is far from kids' drawings. In fact, they're far better than most things uploaded even here.

Also, what about people who do have talents, but in other areas, and still want to produce drawings and share it? Fuck them, am I right? You seem to believe it's either "you're good or you fuck off", and without AI-generation, it was true. But now that this tool exists, there's no reason to gatekeep them. If someone can't draw but still wants to make a drawing, they can ; and it easily competes with what most artists can make.
Danbooru has been filtering out the content uploaded to keep a high quality on their website. Because the truth is many people try to upload low-quality stuff. They know it, YOU know it, everybody knows it: at least half of what people draw and show online is shit, with distorted limbs, no shading, no knowledge on drawing.

As for your example, you cherry picked them. I didn't say ALL AI-generations are good. But you're the one who started a witch hunt, because you know it's reached a point where it's hard to say what was man-made and what wasn't. After all, there would be no need for your thread otherwise.
The truth is NovelAI is often as good as most artists. Which is the very reason you created this thread.

"why you think that same boring, lifeless, and generic artstyle used by NovelAI is considered "quality""

You don't get to define what's quality. As long as the drawing has complex shading, clear shot composition and is showing something recognizable and not deformed, it is quality. On the contrary, drawing stickman can't be called quality.
There's an objective definition to that word, and the fact is AI is making high-quality drawings, with a level of detail that takes hours for most artists to make. Of course, it's not perfect, so you will find pictures with huge distorsions. But you can easily find AI-generated content without any wrong body part.

"you can't have the AI get all of the exact details you want from your mind"
Not yet. And even today, the thing is, AI-generation is so quick you can just generate several times. It's a trial-and-error process, but you can still get what you want.
As for the soul you're talking about, it's just a vague word you're using to just insult others. AI artists don't have less passion and will than manual artists. They're just using a much more convenient tool.
Don't get me wrong, there ARE limitations to AI. And discussing those is healthy for the community, and can even be fun. But you're not interested in discussion. You just want to force your opinion onto others, because you're full of yourself. You're almighty in your mind, everyone must act and think like you. You don't use AI, therefore, no one should, and anyone thinking otherwise be damned.

"NovelAI collects visual data from other artist's works without their consent."
Wrong. It studies it, and constructs a new picture based on what it sees and what we've told it to do. Of course, there NEEDS to be discussion to avoid litteral thieft, because AI CAN be used for that. But you guys are talking as if every AI-generated content was stolen content. It's not.

Oh, and you failed to understand the phrase that you quoted. Or, you utterly denied it, probably because you have nothing to argue. When you're doing a fanart, you ARE stealing. You're taking someone's character without their consent. No matter how different the art style, you're still stealing somebody's intellectual property. Ask mangaka if they enjoy seeing their characters, coming from their mind, in the sick situations everybody is imagining for these characters. You think Pokemon creators like to know that we're using their creatures for sex?

Fanart is thieft too ; there's nothing wrong with that, though.
The AI isn't doing anything different. It's just better at it than most humans.

AI-generation is just a new tool, that makes drawing more accessible while still leaving place for real artists. Because if you feel threatened by AIs, you're just dumb. AIs can't innovate, they can't be creative. That's where true artists will shine.

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